Gosford Park

I'm watching it now. It's so, so, boring. Another self-indulgent luvvie pic with the usual suspects. And just like that other confection written by Julian Fellowes (Julian Alexander Kitchener-Fellowes, Baron Fellowes of West Stafford), Downside Abbey, no one has a good thing to say to anyone else, evah. None of the characters is likeable. Actor Jeremy Northam is quite good looking though.

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by Anonymousreply 133May 24, 2019 4:36 AM

The commentary on the DVD is good.

by Anonymousreply 1May 16, 2019 11:51 PM

R1 that's probably paid-for commentary.

by Anonymousreply 2May 16, 2019 11:54 PM

Dame Maggie is a riot in it.

I wouldn't say it's boring.

by Anonymousreply 3May 16, 2019 11:54 PM

I liked it. On the other hand, I don't like people who use the word "confection" for anything but sweets.

by Anonymousreply 4May 16, 2019 11:57 PM

R3 Dame Maggie, same old, same old.

by Anonymousreply 5May 16, 2019 11:59 PM

confection n. The act or process of confecting or the result of it. n. A sweet preparation, such as candy. n. A sweetened medicinal compound; an electuary.

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by Anonymousreply 7May 17, 2019 12:05 AM

Whatever happened to Jeremy Northam? He was married and then divorced although it all seemed quite hush hush. Saw him a few times on stage and he is a good actor and was very easy on the eye.

by Anonymousreply 9May 17, 2019 12:10 AM

Dame Dame Eileen Atkins is in it too.

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by Anonymousreply 11May 17, 2019 12:14 AM

Suppose it would have been better if Helen Mirrens character (Mrs. Wilson) had a machine gun, like she did in 'Red'?

by Anonymousreply 12May 17, 2019 12:16 AM

OP: The film isn't boring. You are.

by Anonymousreply 13May 17, 2019 12:17 AM

I liked it, and the commentary. The first time I saw the film, I was working on something else at the same time, and I had zoned out just enough to genuinely be surprised at the end. It's good!

by Anonymousreply 14May 17, 2019 12:17 AM

I loved Maggie Smith saying when a woman walked into the room in a green dress: "Green . . . such a tricky color."

The only things bad about the film were actors talking over each other (the sound quality isn't good enough for that) -- and Ryan Phillipe's community theater level acting. He is so amateurish.

by Anonymousreply 15May 17, 2019 12:19 AM

It also has some great lines that have made appearances on Datalounge. "Difficult color, green." "Don't encourage him, he'll just go on and on..." "Trust William McCordle to be murdered twice!"

by Anonymousreply 16May 17, 2019 12:19 AM

Certainly better than Downton Abbey, although that's not saying much.

Jeremy Northam can sing.

by Anonymousreply 17May 17, 2019 12:20 AM

How can you not like a movie with witty Ivor Novello lyrics? (Verse) I seem to be the victim of a cruel jest It dogs my footsteps with the girl I love the best She's just the sweetest thing that I have ever known But still we never get the chance to be alone

(Chorus 1) My car will meet her And her mother comes, too It's a two-seater Still her mother comes, too

At Ciro's when I am free At dinner, supper, or tea She loves to shimmy with me And her mother does, too

We buy her trousseau And her mother comes, too Asked not to do so Still her mother comes, too

She simply can't take a snub I go and sulk at the club Then have a bath and a rub And her brother comes, too

(Verse 2) There may be times when couples need a chaperone But mothers ought to leave a chap alone I wish they'd have a heart and use their common sense For three's a crowd, and more, it's treble the expense

(Chorus 2) We lunch at Maxim's And her mother comes, too How large a snack seems When her mother comes, too

And when they're visiting me We finish afternoon tea She loves to sit on my knee And her mother does, too

To golf we started And her mother came, too Three bags I carted When her mother came, too

She fainted just off the tee My darling whispered to me "Jack, dear, at last we are free!" But her mother came to

by Anonymousreply 18May 17, 2019 12:20 AM

Ryan Phillippe was quite decorative and did a good English accent.

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by Anonymousreply 19May 17, 2019 12:21 AM

(Verse) In B.C. 33 Ah me! That's a dashed long time ago There lived a Roman hero Who had shaken hands with Nero And the history you should know He was introduced to the king of Gaul Whoever that might be And crossing in a galley With a Norman wench got pally They went and founded me

(Chorus) So if you wonder what a duke should be Just you take another look at me I'm doughty I'm gouty I'm wonderful to see All my people, 'pon my soul it's true Look on Noah as a parvenu By gad, you can search your family tree But you'll never find a duke like me

(Verse 2) When old Canute Was buying fruit One day, so runs the tale A young convicted felon Brought him a juicy melon And was then released from jail This noble youth To tell the truth Sailed right away to sea And the Duke of Malta's daughter Brought up his shaving water And the grand result was me! (Chorus) So if you wonder what a duke should be Just you take another look at me I'm doughty I'm gouty I'm wonderful to see All my people, 'pon my soul it's true Look on Noah as a parvenu By gad, you can search your family tree But you'll never find a duke like me You'll never find You'll never find a duke like me

by Anonymousreply 20May 17, 2019 12:22 AM

[quote]Ryan Phillippe was quite decorative and did a good English accent.

He did a Scottish accent, in fact.

by Anonymousreply 21May 17, 2019 12:22 AM

R18 R20 Can we limit our engagement please to pithy gobbets, not boring lectures.

by Anonymousreply 22May 17, 2019 12:24 AM

The annoying Kelly McDonald (the maid, Mary) was given too big a part. She sucked the life out of all her scenes.

by Anonymousreply 23May 17, 2019 12:24 AM

NO PART OF SCOTLAND THAT I KNOW! - Mary Maceachran

by Anonymousreply 24May 17, 2019 12:24 AM

I love that the fat cooks are all getting laid. Bertha, Ellen...

by Anonymousreply 25May 17, 2019 12:25 AM

I guess I’m the odd queen out here. I love this movie and everyone in it.

by Anonymousreply 26May 17, 2019 12:27 AM

Kristin Scott Thomas shone in this. A+++++++++

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by Anonymousreply 27May 17, 2019 12:27 AM

[quote] Another self-indulgent luvvie pic with the usual suspects.

Are you English OP?

by Anonymousreply 30May 17, 2019 12:29 AM

R21 He seemed to have forgotten his accent halfway through and reverted to Pittsburgh.

by Anonymousreply 31May 17, 2019 12:29 AM

Very enjoyable movie with a great cast. Two buns up!!!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 32May 17, 2019 12:30 AM

It was interesting casting Richard E Grant as a servant.

by Anonymousreply 33May 17, 2019 12:31 AM

[quote] He seemed to have forgotten his accent halfway through and reverted to Pittsburgh.

Wasn’t that part of his character’s development though?

by Anonymousreply 35May 17, 2019 12:32 AM

Class if 2001, best year for film in my lifetime.

And I love that even when Ryan's accent went in and out, there was a good reason/reveal. Phillipe has been in two Best Picture nominees; I don't think his ex Reese has ever been in even one.

by Anonymousreply 37May 17, 2019 12:33 AM

I can hear the pipes and the drums, God help me.

by Anonymousreply 38May 17, 2019 12:37 AM

Me three, R29. I'm amazed that any tasteful gay man would not adore Gosford Park and Downton Abbey. The costumes alone should be enough, but the witty dialog, delightful manners, and complex social hierarchy ought to guarantee it.

by Anonymousreply 39May 17, 2019 12:38 AM

R39 = homosex thought police.

by Anonymousreply 40May 17, 2019 12:41 AM

I love it too. I love all Robert Altman, except for Pret a Porter. That was terrible af.

by Anonymousreply 41May 17, 2019 12:44 AM

As a gay man I'm interested in sex with other men. I am not interested in "witty dialog, delightful manners, and complex social hierarchy". As a gay man I am also interested in skiing and investment banking.

by Anonymousreply 42May 17, 2019 12:45 AM

Jeremy Northam ought to have Hugh Jackman's musical stardom, as Northam can sing really beautifully unlike Jackman, who is merely serviceable with lots of vocal problems. Northam was terrific as real-life matinee idol Ivor Novello, though while Novello wrote many hit West End musicals, he apparently couldn't sing very well once his voice changed at puberty.

by Anonymousreply 43May 17, 2019 12:45 AM

The Knight and Dame quota in Gosford Park may be the largest of any movie. Sirs Bates, Gambon and Jacobi, Dames Atkins, Mirren, Scot-Thomas and Smith. It does drag somewhat for me, which could be an accurate reflection of the country house atmosphere , but I find most Altman films that way. Gosford Park is far superior to Downton Abbey however, life at the Abbey is a sacherrine noblesse oblige-fest , the upper crust falling over themselves in their concern for the lower orders, it's a soap with coronets. Gosford tells it much more like it was, with the servants knowing their place or else.

by Anonymousreply 44May 17, 2019 12:56 AM

The best was the original Upstairs Downstairs - still great to watch.

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by Anonymousreply 45May 17, 2019 1:03 AM

I love Gosford Park. Helen Mirren and Maggie Smith are fabulous.

by Anonymousreply 46May 17, 2019 1:05 AM

Lady Marjorie was the best in the best.

by Anonymousreply 47May 17, 2019 1:06 AM

The old Queen's dead!

Don't talk that way about Mr. Hudson!

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by Anonymousreply 48May 17, 2019 1:08 AM

I loved it, saw it twice in fact. The scene where Jeremy as Ivor Novello is playing his songs for the bored society folk while the servants listen spellbound through the door is one that has stayed with me.

by Anonymousreply 49May 17, 2019 1:09 AM

Say, why is the UK handing out all these damehoods and knighships when they don't even own Hollywood? Is this some attempt at cultural imperialism gone mad?

by Anonymousreply 50May 17, 2019 1:12 AM

When I'm in the mood to look at Jeremy Northam, I watch Emma. Especially, oh, around 2:42 on. ,

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by Anonymousreply 51May 17, 2019 1:13 AM

Jeremy Northam was very fetching in The Winslow Boy.

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by Anonymousreply 52May 17, 2019 1:18 AM

I also love this movie, I think it's just delightful. I wish there had been a second one that continued the story.

by Anonymousreply 53May 17, 2019 1:22 AM

As iffy as Gosford Park can be, it is sooo much better than Howards' End.

by Anonymousreply 54May 17, 2019 1:24 AM

This may be heretical to some, but I thought the movie went downhill as soon as Stephen Frye appeared. I know his character was supposed to be a bumbler, but his acting style was jarringly different from the rest of the cast; he seemed to be in a different, more farcical movie and stunk up the scenes he was in. Liked him in Cold Comfort Farm, so I'm not just being anti-Frye.

by Anonymousreply 55May 17, 2019 1:26 AM

OP, do stop sniveling - anyone would think you were Italian.

by Anonymousreply 56May 17, 2019 1:30 AM

[quote] Howards' End

is the end, esp with that spelling.

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by Anonymousreply 57May 17, 2019 1:30 AM

I love Gosford Park, Upstairs, Downstairs, AND Howards End.

So there.

by Anonymousreply 59May 17, 2019 1:33 AM

[quote] This may be heretical to some

We're not in some kind of cult R55, or are we?

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by Anonymousreply 60May 17, 2019 1:39 AM

Oh, did I spell his name wrong? I must have been thinking of Northrup Frye. Well, he gets a lot of flack on DL for his May/December marriage, but also appreciation for his acting and writing.

by Anonymousreply 61May 17, 2019 1:48 AM

R59 knows that there was a comma.

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by Anonymousreply 62May 17, 2019 1:57 AM

Wow, 9pm on the East Coast and all the queens are abed, not just here but on most threads.

by Anonymousreply 63May 17, 2019 2:20 AM

It was refreshing to see Maggie Smith play something else other than a snobby old lady in The Lady In the Van. Imagine The Dowager Countess of Grantham shitting in someone's driveway? Julian Fellowes is such a pretentious snob, he's obsessed with class. I always remember an interview where he said when he and his wife have a dinner party they make sure to see which way their guests spoon their soup, towards or away from themselves. The correct way is to spoon the soup away from oneself before bringing it to your mouth, those who spooned the soup towards themselves were never invited back! That's all I need to know about the man. He pushed for his wife to inherit a title from her uncle so he could also get one. Wouldn't be at all surprised if he were a closet case.

by Anonymousreply 64May 17, 2019 2:23 AM

"As a gay man I'm interested in sex with other men. I am not interested in "witty dialog, delightful manners, and complex social hierarchy". As a gay man I am also interested in skiing and investment banking.

—Get out of the caftans more, guys."

Get a load of Miss Spider Sabich, Queen Capitalist over here!

by Anonymousreply 65May 17, 2019 2:40 AM

Julian is definitely a rich, sad, closet case. That soup spooning test, if true, is truly appallingly crass.

by Anonymousreply 66May 17, 2019 2:47 AM

[quote] None of the characters is likeable.

Horrors!

by Anonymousreply 67May 17, 2019 2:49 AM

[quote]Ryan Phillippe was quite decorative and did a good English accent.

As an Englishman, I beg got differ. In a rather enormous way.

And, as I recall, he wasn't attempting an English accent, but one that was vaguely Scottish. Hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 68May 17, 2019 3:36 AM

The joke was that his Scottish accent was atrocious and the others knew he was faking it. His character was never supposed to have an authentic Scottish accent.

And of course Ryan Phillippe looks about as Scottish as Oktoberfest in Munich.

by Anonymousreply 69May 17, 2019 3:40 AM

One hopes OP has found something more to his liking. Like Fast and Furious 56.

by Anonymousreply 71May 20, 2019 3:43 AM

Agree with R15 that the attempt at simultaneously capturing multiple conversations in the group settings makes understanding any of them difficult. I assume that was Robert Altman's goal. The Aunt Constance character (Maggie Smith) has many delicious lines: "I thought I had been transported to a bar in Marseille.". "Now that you you can be discreet about". And of course there is the line said by Mrs. Wilson and repeated by Mary, "And what would be the point?" Words of wisdom to live by.

by Anonymousreply 72May 20, 2019 3:52 AM

A person of discernment. Unlike some I could mention. But won't.

by Anonymousreply 73May 20, 2019 3:55 AM

My favourite character was the visiting male servant (I have no idea what the fuck his job title is) played by Adrian Scarborough. He’s fucking great in everything.

by Anonymousreply 74May 20, 2019 4:00 AM

The original Upstairs Downstairs! Matchless.

by Anonymousreply 75May 20, 2019 4:05 AM

I agree about Adrian Scarborough. He's always great.

by Anonymousreply 76May 20, 2019 4:17 AM

Oh, dear... Bought marmalade. Dear me, I call that very feeble.

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by Anonymousreply 77May 20, 2019 8:37 AM

R64 She was still playing an imperious snob in The Lady in the Van ( albeit one who shat herself ), she used to play all types 'til the Merchant Ivory corsets came out and then she seemed to get stuck.

by Anonymousreply 78May 20, 2019 8:58 AM

That'll happen with corsets.

by Anonymousreply 79May 20, 2019 12:04 PM

The double fish forks were a place setting made in Anglophilia heaven.

by Anonymousreply 80May 20, 2019 12:31 PM

I'm just surprised Robert Altman didn't have full frontal nudity for every female while making sure the men stayed covered up.

by Anonymousreply 81May 20, 2019 12:35 PM

I loved it. Well-written and a smart take on an old British setup. OP, it's too good for you. Stream Friends on Netflix.

by Anonymousreply 82May 20, 2019 12:39 PM

Liking or not liking Gosford Park has nothing to do with being a gay man. It's not heretical to not like a film or Judy Garland.

It's a great film with a great script. The smaller moments with characters like those played by Tom Hollander or Sophie Thompson are the best moments. Dames Mirren and Atkins are great as sisterly rivals.

by Anonymousreply 83May 20, 2019 12:46 PM

The most pretentiious OP evah. Confection, indeed.

r18/r20--It's really tedious and wholly unnecessary to copy out the lyrics to songs, and especially so when you can't be bothered to format them correctly.

Big fail, queens.

by Anonymousreply 84May 20, 2019 1:02 PM

Gosford Park is at least better than 95% of what Hollywood produces today...

by Anonymousreply 85May 20, 2019 1:03 PM

Yes, r85! I would love to see more films in this genre but unfortunately there's not a big enough mainstream audience for them. It's a shame.

by Anonymousreply 86May 20, 2019 1:10 PM

I could watch 'Gosford Park'-type films the way a lot of people watch Marvel movies.

by Anonymousreply 87May 20, 2019 1:10 PM

What we need is another SPIDERMAN movie I say

by Anonymousreply 88May 20, 2019 1:12 PM

Bought marmalade? I call that very feeble.

by Anonymousreply 89May 20, 2019 1:24 PM

"What gift do you think a good servant has that separates them from the others? It's the gift of anticipation. And I'm a good servant. I'm better than good. I'm the best. I'm the perfect servant. I know when they'll be hungry and the food is ready. I know when they'll be tired and the bed is turned down. I know it before they know it themselves."

by Anonymousreply 90May 21, 2019 3:09 AM

"Darling, it's a relief to me to sit next to someone who isn't deaf in one ear."

by Anonymousreply 91May 21, 2019 3:10 AM

Lady Trentham: "Oh no, dear, no. No, that's quite wrong. Always something very plain for country sports, the one I wore today will do." Mary Maceacran: "But it's soiled." Lady Trentham: "Well, you can wash it, can't you?"

by Anonymousreply 92May 21, 2019 3:11 AM

[quote]And of course there is the line said by Mrs. Wilson and repeated by Mary, "And what would be the point?" Words of wisdom to live by.

Mary said 'what purpose would it serve.'

by Anonymousreply 93May 21, 2019 3:25 AM

Ryan Phillipe is supposed to have a terrible accent. It's part of the plot.

Stephen Frye is awful---the dialogue is full of cliched jokes and an actor with a bit more subtley could have made them seen fresh. Fortunately, he doesn't ruin the movie.

by Anonymousreply 94May 21, 2019 4:12 AM

Does the DVD commentary say anything about Dame Maggie ad-libbing the line about green being a difficult color? I suspect she did.

She probably even ad-libbed the DA line: "Week end? What is a week end??"

by Anonymousreply 95May 21, 2019 2:34 PM

Does anyone have an approximate time the Green statement is made in the movie?

by Anonymousreply 96May 22, 2019 6:12 AM

R96 this might help: The first time you see Ms Nesbitt (the woman who knows how a glove should fit) wearing this green dress is a preview, because she has to keep wearing that dress. She has borrowed the dress from Sylvia McCordle, Kristin Scott Thomas. Look for one of the last times you see her in the dress, at around 1 hour 48 minutes in. Right before, Constance Trentham (Maggie Smith) gives her a backhanded compliment (so clever of Mabel to travel light...why should one wear a different frock every evening...)

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by Anonymousreply 97May 22, 2019 12:07 PM

"One of the funniest lines in Gosford Park (2001) was unscripted. And who else but Maggie Smith could come up with such a line and deliver it in such a way that would leave the wearer wondering if she had just been given a compliment or the rudest of insults! So when Claudie Blakley as Mabel Nesbitt arrived on set in a green dress, Maggie instinctively said, “Difficult colour, green… very tricky” and the associate producer, Julian Fellowes, burst out laughing. They decided to keep the line."

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by Anonymousreply 98May 22, 2019 12:10 PM

[quote]she used to play all types 'til the Merchant Ivory corsets came out and then she seemed to get stuck

There have been exceptions.

by Anonymousreply 99May 22, 2019 12:21 PM

[quote]Ryan Phillipe is supposed to have a terrible accent. It's part of the plot.

No, it wasn't. Stop making excuses for his community-theater-level acing because you think he's pretty.

It wasn't supposed to be so obvious that he was a fraud. It was something people in the house would catch on to in time. Otherwise, it reveals too much at the very start.

by Anonymousreply 100May 23, 2019 6:26 PM

One of my favorite lines is when the Hollywood producer is telling everyone about his new movie- a murder mystery, and someone asks who the killer is. He says he can't say as he doesn't want to spoil the ending. Then Maggie Smith says, 'Oh, it's not as if any of us are going to see it.'

Lol, she's such a snob.

by Anonymousreply 101May 23, 2019 6:53 PM

Another great part is right after Ryan Phillippe got coffee spilt in his lap, Maggie Smith starts giggling, tries not to, but can't stop.

It's one of my favorite laugh scenes in any movie.

by Anonymousreply 102May 23, 2019 7:01 PM

I just re-watched this last week. It's a wonderful movie. But not for the plot, such as it is (which is part of the reason I can forgive the out-of-kilter characterization / performance of Mr. Fry.) The FORMAT is a country house murder mystery, but in reality the film is a meditation on the nature of a particular time and place . One where everyone's life - upstairs and down - is rather sad and/or awful. It seems to me that the point is to contrast the perceived delight so many of us feel when we picture living in that world against the stultifying reality of those who actually lived those lives -- even the upper-class / wealthy were often trapped and unfulfilled (albeit in a very cushy cage.)

by Anonymousreply 103May 23, 2019 7:24 PM

For the last time it was a FAKE SCOTTISH ACCENT R19

by Anonymousreply 104May 23, 2019 7:34 PM

I thought it was really good. Like R104 says it isn't about the plot but about the characters and their relationships and the mores of the time, which I think is so rich. There are so many scenes to enjoy.

Stephen Fry's character, and his plot-line, may be out of place in that context but I think that works because the plot is meant to be out of context - barely anyone really cares that Michael Gambon's character died and the little ecosystem of the house kept going. So it's a bit disruptive to suddenly find the police trying (and failing) to do some detective work and remember that there is a whodunnit in middle of this, but the film doesn't pretend to care (most of the time) just like the characters didn't really care.

Then, when there is suddenly an intensely emotional tragic moment at the end, which changes your understanding of some of the character and what has happened around the death, it is both surprising and moving.

I think Julian Fellowes is very good at character and atmosphere and the odd intrusion of plot, but he struggled when trying to maintain plot over the many seasons of Downton Abbey, which was also very good in parts. I think Gosford Park was a treat though.

by Anonymousreply 105May 23, 2019 7:35 PM

I love this movie. Hate Downton Abbey.

by Anonymousreply 106May 23, 2019 7:35 PM

Perhaps one of the Charlie Chan pictures would be more suited to OP's taste.

by Anonymousreply 107May 23, 2019 7:37 PM

I thought the part where James Wilby character's wife (sorry, I can't remember names) was singing at the piano with Ivor Novello was very sad. He had realised that they saw him as the entertainment and she wanted an excuse not to sit with the people who clearly looked down on her and didn't want her there, and they were just there at the piano singing this sad song.

The last time I had seen James Wilby in a stately home period drama was the delicious Maurice.

by Anonymousreply 109May 23, 2019 7:40 PM

I always assumed Julian Fellowes was a closet case. Is he anything else?

by Anonymousreply 110May 23, 2019 7:40 PM

R109 I actually found that scene very moving, and not sad at all. He knows from the get-go he's just entertainment to them, and with her he gets to spend a genuine moment with an audience that actually appreciates him. I think it's a sweet moment and the only one where Mabel isn't put upon.

Another very moving scene is love jam.

I have the OST, haven't played it in a while but it's a favourite. Very diverse, and if memory serves Jeremy Northam's brother plays the piano for the Ivor Novello songs.

by Anonymousreply 112May 23, 2019 7:48 PM

Agree r106. Downton Abbey was boring af.

R99, Macgonagall was pretty corsety. Corsetesque.

by Anonymousreply 113May 23, 2019 7:49 PM

The casting and acting are flawless.

Robert Altman can be hit or miss, but when the pieces do all come together, his work is fab.

SPOILER: climactic revelations, beautifully acted:

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by Anonymousreply 114May 23, 2019 7:51 PM

I know people love to quote Maggie Smith's line in this, but my most favorite line is when William McCordle (Gambon) offers one of his sisters in law a brandy, or some other alcoholic beverage, in his study and she delivers the following line so beautifully and coquettishly: You're such a bad influence!

by Anonymousreply 115May 23, 2019 7:59 PM

Another vote for 'love it'. One line that makes me chuckle and could easily be missed in the general hubbub of voices speaking is when they are setting off for the day's shooting and Bob Balaban's American producer character says, in a sort of worried voice, 'Has anyone ever been seriously injured by a pheasant?'.

It's going to sound extremely Mary'ish but the first time I saw it, the scene where Emily Watson's character blurts out a defence of her employer/lover while serving at table was startling. Just the shocked looks on everyone faces, Watson's included, at a servant speaking out of turn and disagreeing with her 'betters'.

by Anonymousreply 116May 23, 2019 8:07 PM

Actually you're right R122 - it's been a long time since i saw the film and I remembered only the sadness, but they were in a situation in which no-one else properly 'saw' them and, for a few moments, they were 'seeing' each other. A poignant scene. Yes to the jam scene too. Always love Tom Hollander in anything, so that's a bonus there.

by Anonymousreply 117May 23, 2019 8:09 PM

OP probably thinks Adam Sandler movies are good. Gosford park is fucking brilliant. Superb acting, writing and directing. The scene with Helen Mirren at the end is just fantartic. I wish it was on Netflix

by Anonymousreply 118May 23, 2019 8:22 PM

Was there ever a Criterion release of this movie? I have the "regular" DVD with fabulous commentaries.

by Anonymousreply 119May 23, 2019 8:29 PM

Is there ANYTHING more exhausting than breaking in a new maid?

by Anonymousreply 120May 23, 2019 11:00 PM

She should be paying you R120.

by Anonymousreply 121May 23, 2019 11:21 PM

What about the sexy, Clive Owen? I would have preferred him to be James Bond over Daniel Craig.

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by Anonymousreply 122May 23, 2019 11:39 PM

In a veddy, veddy delusional fantasy, I'd love to have Clive and Jeremy vying for me attention and then fighting over me.

by Anonymousreply 123May 23, 2019 11:51 PM

I love the movie. When I first saw it, on TV, they were running it twice, and I stayed and watched the second showing, too. (So to say.)

But there is a mistake in it. It takes place in 1932. Though Ivor Novello (Jeremy Northam's role) had been a singer in his Welsh youth, by the 1930s he had totally given up singing. Even though he appeared in almost all of his 1930s-1940s operettas, he never sang in them (except once, in an opera takeoff, when he could get away with singing badly).

So it seems very unlikely that he would have serenaded the other guests, as Northam does.

I think there's another error, when someone plays something on the gramophone that hadn't been written by 1932, but I don't remember what the song is.

by Anonymousreply 124May 24, 2019 12:10 AM

R124 I think that's the scene of the hunting party lunch, around the 1hour 3 minute time mark. Lady Sylvia borrowed the gramophone from her maid Lewis. It's apparently an Ivor Novello song, she seems to be playing it to embarrass him or be cheeky with him. I'm not sure which song it is either.

by Anonymousreply 125May 24, 2019 12:25 AM

Here's the "Let's be Gosford Park" thread if anyone wants to relive or revive it.

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by Anonymousreply 126May 24, 2019 12:41 AM

I vividly recall the Mary gasps in the theatre when Emily Watson spoke. It's a shattering scene, brilliantly acted all around (Kristin Scott Thomas is delicious throughout that film, mostly in reaction shots of bemusement and dismissal at her inferiors).

by Anonymousreply 127May 24, 2019 12:58 AM

[quote]r124 But there is a mistake in it. It takes place in 1932. Though Ivor Novello (Jeremy Northam's role) had been a singer in his Welsh youth, by the 1930s he had totally given up singing.

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by Anonymousreply 128May 24, 2019 1:18 AM

I'd consider re-watching it but I can't stand Mary...and they focus in her so much like she's so great.

by Anonymousreply 129May 24, 2019 1:44 AM

Love the film but have to agree with the Stephen Fry comments. He is absolutely terrible and forced. Really, really bad.

Imagine Hugh Laurie in that part and you can see how someone could be the bumbling detective without being some big, fat unfunny ham.

And Emily Watson should have been nominated, too. Loved her in this.

by Anonymousreply 130May 24, 2019 3:09 AM

And think about it -- it was Altman's best movie!

by Anonymousreply 131May 24, 2019 3:26 AM

Mmmmmm .... I like different things about his various films. They probably all come together best in NASHVILLE.

McCABE & MRS. MILLER is haunting, and has a mesmerizing performance by Julie Christie. Shelley Duval is almost peerlessly weird in 3 WOMEN. THE PLAYER holds together very well.

I don't think GOSFORD PARK really has the depth to be considered his best (though I think you're being snide.) [italic](And fuck you very much!)

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by Anonymousreply 132May 24, 2019 4:31 AM

It features Warren Beatty's best performance, too:

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by Anonymousreply 133May 24, 2019 4:36 AM

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