Famous people's kids who led sad, strange and/or tragic lives

You'd think their lives would be charmed, but often it's just the opposite.

Carroll O'Connor's son Hugh had addiction issues and ended up committing suicide at age 33.

Jennifer Jones daughter with David Selznick, Mary Selznick ,jumped off a 22nd story skyscraper at the age of 22. There's a lot of mystery surrounding her suicide. Angie Dickinsons daughter was autistic and killed herself in her 30s.

Cheryl Crane, Lana Turner's daughter.

This doesn't really belong here, but I just found out last night that Whoopi Goldberg has a daughter. I *never* knew she had any kids. I always thought she was secretly one of us and was bearding with Ted Danson.

Michael Douglas’ kid has crazy addiction issues, every single one of Ryan O’Neal’s kids, and Paris Jackson if not all the Jackson kids.

Lots of others but I’m blanking on names. Feh.

Marlon Brando's kids own this thread. From the son imprisoned for killing his brother in law, to the daughter who killed herself, the Brando family is dysfunctional even by showbiz standards.

Zsa Zsa Gabor's daughter was severely overweight and had a sad life.

Marlon Brando's kids Christian and Cheyenne. In 1990 Christian shot and killed Cheyenne's boyfriend because she said he beat her. Both of them had addiction/mental issues. Christian Brando went to prison and a few years later Cheyenne killed herself.

famous or successful people dont have time to parent

Olivia Newton-John’s daughter Chloe is as sad and dysfunctional as they come.

Although Jane Fonda's life has turned out pretty well, I felt a lot of empathy for her after watching the HBO documentary about her. She's done well for herself, obviously, but it's clear that growing up with a distant-Henry Fonda as a dad and with a mentally ill mother who committed suicide when Jane was quite young that Jane was pretty emotionally neglected as a child and that affected affected the rest of her life.

The daughter of Gene Kierney, gravely disabled (reportedly due to prenatal exposure to measles ).

Terry Melcher, son of Doris Day did some Business with Charles Manson. Manson felt that he didn’t live up to his word and may have targeted Tate house because Melcher was living their prior. Melcher had a breakdown after the Murder and died in his 60’s

Redmond O'Neal, son of Farrah and Ryan.

R19 I never understood why Melcher couldn't have mentioned that he had a disturbed freak who had a grudge against him before he sold the Polanski's the house. I have always wondered if he and Bergen just wanted to get out of there as quickly as possible. Perhaps I'm just being cynical.

Jon Voight's daughter is a complete mess.

Jenny Arness, daughter of Gunsmoke's James Arness, killed herself with an overdose of sleeping pills while watching her former lover Gregg Allman appear as a guest on Cher's Sunday night TV show. Th9s was right after Allman and Cher had gotten married, and she wrote the suicide note (addressed to Allman) during the broadcast.

[quote]R2 Jennifer Jones daughter with David Selznick, Mary Selznick ,jumped off a 22nd story skyscraper at the age of 22.

It was two days after Mother’s Day, or something.

Guess it didn’t go so well.

that Jim Beam ad makes it look like they were fucking

Quintana Roo Dunne, Joan Didion's daughter

and her son, Gideon Didion.

R28, I thought his name was Yucatan?

Didn't Barbara Eden's son commit suicide? And wasn't he this hot-looking professional bodybuilder?

George McGovern's daughter lived on the street and froze to death on a snowbank.

R30 It was my understanding that Edens son , bodybuilder Matthew Ansara, died of an accidental heroin overdose.

Laurence Fishburne‘s daughter did porn and has been in constant trouble with the law

Tom Jones has an illegitimate son who is homeless.

R34, So does James Brolin, albeit not illegitimate.

R6, Patrick, the son he had with Leigh Taylor Young, escaped the O'Neal curse.

R9, She died sitting on a toilet in a West Hollywood diner, obese and in major debt.

Melcher had a successful career as a music producer and helped his mother get her finances in order. He died of melanoma. Sad he died in his 60s but hardly a tragic life.

I wonder how Sheena Easton's adopted kids, Jake & Skylar, are doing as young adults?

Wait and Melcher dated Candace Bergen? Poster upthread claimed she lived with him?

Can’t wait to see what those Jolie kids will get up to....

The Hemingway households must have looked like the set of "The Virgin Suicides".

Do you think that celebrity parent have more of a responsibility to ensure that their offspring have the best start in life? Than those sad stories we read?

R44 It's hard because fame is intoxicating but really unhealthy for the mind. Good parenting requires selflessness but for famous people, the world around them is constantly demanding that they fixate on themselves for the sake of satisfying The Public's addiction to whatever rush their person and talent is providing.

It takes a conscious effort to counterbalance that. I applaud anyone who is sincerely trying, with all their heart and soul, to be a good parent to their children while being famous. Those people are actually working harder in their parenting than everyone else.

[quote]I never understood why Melcher couldn't have mentioned that he had a disturbed freak who had a grudge against him before he sold the Polanski's the house. I have always wondered if he and Bergen just wanted to get out of there as quickly as possible. Perhaps I'm just being cynical.

Melcher didn't own the house. He rented from owner Rudi Altobelli. Altobelli then rented to Polanski and Tate after Melcher's lease contract ended and he decided to move to Malibu. IIRC, Melcher and Bergen had broken up around that time.

I bet Reese W and Jennifer G are ok as parents. I know they are not popular here but I do think they try.

R19. Terry Melcher was not the owner of the home. The Polanski’s were renting the home. The owner, Altobelli, was a real piece of shit. He sued Sharons parents for the damage done to the home during the murders. Sharons did pretty much told him to fuck off. Altobelli then sued Sharons estate. He was awarded around $4300, which was far less than the $480,000 he was suing for.

Lisa Marie Presley is not doing well.

Joan Crawford’s daughter and Bette Davis’s daughter.

R11 plus Brando sexually abused the daughter, too.

Too bad Rebecca Welles looked like dad and not mom

Ryan O’Neal just seems like a truly horrid person, and the proof is in the pudding—his children seem to detest him and they have all had horrible traumatic lives. I give Tatum ONeal a lot of credit for enduring. She seems like a decent person with a LOT of baggage.

John Phillips seems just as neglectful, though perhaps less actively malicious.

Huh, R59? He did drugs with his daughter and had sex with her.

[quote] I give Tatum ONeal a lot of credit for enduring. She seems like a decent person with a LOT of baggage.

And she's still trying to have a relationship with him. Her IG posts with him are heartbreaking if you know their history.

Yes, gross and hedonistic and perverted. But read his autobio and Mackenzie’s. He comes off as a self-absorbed hedonist with his own set of rules, not a malicious jealous person who beats and belittles his children, a la O’Neal. (Read Tatum’s two books for more.)

I turned out just swell! brrppp…..hic....

If we're including adopted children, then Dion Fay.

Ms. Streep's daughters are spoiled messes who think they're entitled to the world because of their mother's fame.

The fact is, most actors are deeply screwed up people. Not surprising they end up with deeply screwed up kids.

Tom Hanks' rapper son - Chet something.

All of them. Celebrities are extremely narcissistic and look at their kids as Assessories , extension of themselves

Jenifer Jones kid that jumped off the roof of a highrise was severely messed up and had been seeing a psychiatrist for a while prior to the suicide. Apparently she use to frequent high rise building and hang out on the rooftops as a matter of course. There is even a psyciatric term for this particular behavior and it isnt all that rare.

Famous people with messed up kids..........maybe the parents didnt have enough time for the kids or being a child of the famous might be somewhat demoralizing if you dont have incredible self esteem as you cant ever top your parent etc etc.

I can't understand, how can the children of rich famous celebrities be homeless? How the fuck does THAT happen?

They are NOT their parents' FANS!

R70 When they become drug addicts and violent and have failed multiple stays in rehabs, and just use their parent(s) for money to get drugs, that is how they become homeless (see Redmond O'Neal)

Some celeb parents cut ties with kids from earlier marriages. I don't think Johnny Carson's kids inherited anything. It all went to his last wife.

to the person commenting about Terry melcher and the cielo driove house. You dont have any facts on hand do you? As another poster said, it was rented and Altobelli was something of an asshole. I think a big part of his problem was he was extremely greedy his entire life. After the murders he sued Sharons estate for basically devaluing the rental market value of his hiouse because she was so careless by being murdered there (saracasm on purpose). He settled for damages to some contents that couldnt be restored due to perm blood stains.

The really ironic thing is Sharon s parents ought to have sued Altobelli. He relentlessly rented the prioperty out and it became well known as a place to score free drugs and party when Melchor lived there. Altobelli didnt seem overly picky who he rented to. Manson was on the premises at least 3 times during and after Melchor rented or vacated the property. The last time was in march if 1969 and Manson deliberately sought out Altobelli who was living in the guest house on the property as Manson was trying to get any help he could to further his music career. Altobelli was a business manager for entertainers in the industry and was well connected. He refused to help and was rude to manson. On that last visit Manson eye balled Sharon on the property as well as Abby, Jay, and Wytold.........all were together having dinner and spotted Manson loitering around. Manson knew that Melchor had moved out and he knew Melchor was living in Malibu. Charles tex watson had been on the property at least 3 times/ once, Candy Bergen found him in the kitchen waiting for Melchor (the maid had let him in) and she kicked him out in pretty hasty fashion. Another time he came over and borrowed Melchors car. Melchor knew him thru Manson. So really Altobelli unknowingly fostered antagonism in Manson by representing in a way success in Hollywood/ it was this success and the symbol this particular house had for Manson to lash out against rich white people making it in society.

Manson didnt have much imagination really and he struck houses he was familiar with. The next night Manson chose the house in Los Feliz as he had been to the house next door several times. Both houses, cielo and Waverly, were slightly remote (by LA standards) and Manson probably figured a murder could happen at those locations without alerting the entire neighborhood. He was right about that (unfortunately).

Didn't one of the neighbors near Cielo hear a scream?

Johnny Carson's sons were miserable.

Sage Stallone, Sylvester Stallone's eldest son from his first marriage, died in 2012 at only 36, surrounded by so many drugs that police thought he was dealing and assumed it an overdose. This created a scandal because his famous father denied the son was a dealer or had a drug problem. Later, the official investigation claimed the death was due to a heart condition, but the vast amount of drugs found seemed to indicate something else. Very sad. Sage was so very handsome as a young kid Rocky 5.

[quote][Francesca Hilton] died sitting on a toilet in a West Hollywood diner, obese and in major debt.

At the time of her death, she was alternating between living in her car and living from week to week in fleabag motels. She really wanted to be a star but didn't have the looks or the talent, although she tried being an actress, a photographer, and a stand-up comic. Sadly, she didn't get much love from her parents.

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Sharon Tate and Roman Polanski’s son.

R77 Like a year before he died, Sage got all his teeth removed too.

My sister knew him because she's a film professor/scholar and he was involved in archiving grindhouse films, which is one of her research interests. She liked him a lot.

R81 That's fascinating. Why did Sage get his teeth removed? I had never heard that.

Paul Newman's son died of a drug overdose.

[quote] Michael Douglas’ kid has crazy addiction issues, every single one of Ryan O’Neal’s kids, and Paris Jackson if not all the Jackson kids. Lots of others but I’m blanking on names. Feh.

With the exception of Latoya, all of the Jackson siblings have children and there is no evidence that supports your claims.

This thread is about famous people's kids R85. Most people would struggle to name the male Jackson siblings other than the pedophile.

Ray Milland's son Daniel committed suicide by blowing his head off with a shotgun at the age of 41.

R73, I believe Carson’s surviving sons inherited his estate. He and his last wife were separated, and he’d paid her off before his death. One of Carson’s sons died in a car accident in 1991.

Jane Birkins daughter with John Barry, the photographer Kate Barry, committed suicide by jumping out of the window of her Paris apartment. Barry was a photographer.

That Christina Crawford is a piece of work, making up those heinous lies about such a treasured Hollywood legend and standing by them to this day.

R66, Meryl's daughters are not any more "entitled" than anyone else. Bad example, they seem like decent people

Although a lot of her mental health issues seemed to be genetic or drug related I can't help thinking Carrie Fisher was damaged by her mother. A lot of celebrities first love are themselves, their careers, and their lovers, in that order, their children come after that. I admire people like Oprah who acknowledge they're not the least bit maternal and subsequently choose a career over parenthood and don't try to do both, thus producing fucked up kids,

I think both Paul Newman's and Gregory Peck's sons committed suicide.

I'm surprised Liz Taylors kids turned out ok, she must have been less selfish and fucked up than she came across. Either that or she had good nannies for them.

Clark Gable's grandson OD'd

R23, that’s especially tragic because that marriage lasted less than two weeks.

Here's a weird one (and it involves a stepson): Peg Entwistle, who's most famous for killing herself by jumping off the Hollywood sign, was the stepmother of actor Brian Keith, who killed himself with a gun.

Brian Keith's daughter had committed suicide two months before him and he was also suffering from cancer and emphysema.

Thank God I wasn't in this thread.

Lordy race to the bottom: John Phillips vs Ryan O’Neal.

Eric Douglas, Kirk's OTHER son

Ry Guy O’Neal had life handed to him on a platter and still managed to be menacing and mean. What did Feral Fawcett see in him!

Mercedes McCambridge's son shot to death his wife, children and himself.

Elizabeth Taylors' public image was a complete opposite to the woman I knew.

I didn't know her well, but as a complete nobody, she was a kind woman. Very motherly, warm, earthy and with a mouth like a sailor.

I can see how her kids turned out well.

r99, see r48. Being a ghost is no excuse for carelessness, dear.

R104 Cool to hear from someone who met her firsthand, I always thought Liz had a warmth to her.

R93, Paul Newman's son, Scott Newman, died of a barbiturate overdose at the age of 28. He was an actor who appeared in "Fraternity Row" and had a brief scene playing a firefighter in "The Towering Inferno."

Was it true that Scott Newman hated Joanne?

R93, Greg Peck's eldest son, Jonathan Peck, was a journalist who, despondent over a failed love affair, shot himself in the head at the age of 30.

Louis Jourdan's son, Louis Henry Jourdan, died of a drug overdose at the age of 29.

Tina Turner's son recently killed himself.

It started out pretty rough (benign neglect from mom and a parade of stepdads, one of whom raped me many times) but I ended up happy and in a long-term relationship with the love of my life. All that, and a successful career, too!

Paula Yates daughter Peaches who died of a heroin overdose aged 24.

Boobi Kristina, Whitney Houston's daughter who died of a drug overdose/drowning in a bath aged 20.

Louis' Tomlinson's 18 year old sister who died of a heart attack aged 18 (most likely due to drugs)

'Although a lot of her mental health issues seemed to be genetic or drug related I can't help thinking Carrie Fisher was damaged by her mother'

More like Debby was damaged by insane Carrie and her escapades. Carrie only lived to be 60 and then killed off her 80 year old mother with her unexpected death.

Charles Boyer's son, Michael Charles Boyer, died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head at the age of 21. He was supposedly playing Russian Roulette, but may have been suicidal. Years later, Papa Boyer would take his own life, two days after his beloved wife's death from cancer.

Nicholas Hughes, son of Sylvia Plath and Ted Hughes, committed suicide aged 30.

[quote][R81] That's fascinating. Why did Sage get his teeth removed? I had never heard that.

I'm not R81. But, maybe Sage had his teeth removed due to damage from drug use. This happens quite a bit. A relative of mine was a meth addict and he went to rehab and got sober. A few years later he started experiencing dental issues due to past drug use. He had eight teeth removed and he replaced them with bridges and a couple of dental implants. Sometime before that he inherited money from his late stepfather and used some of that money to cover his dental work. He does volunteer work at rehabs and NA groups he frequently tells people to get clean as soon as possible before the drug use really fucks up your teeth and body.

[quote] the stepmother of actor Brian Keith, who killed himself with a gun.

Brian doesn't belong on this list. He had terminal cancer and chose his own time and place.

R82 and R118 Yes, it was because of drugs.

Does anyone remember an actress named Debrah Farentino? She was on Capital in the 80s and a lot of TV in the 90s. I wondered what happened to her and looked her up a few years ago and learned that her daughter killed Sammi Kane Kraft, who starred in the Bad News Bears remake in a drunk driving accident.

Diana Barrymore, daughter of John, died in her 30s of alcoholism. John was portrayed in "Too Much Too Soon" by Errol Flynn, whose son Sean disappeared in SE Asia while a photographer during the war in Vietnam.

Cameron Douglas charmed his lawyer into sneaking Adderall into jail for him. She wrote a book about the incident, where she refers to Michael Douglas as, "Cameron Douglas' father" throughout.

Why can't celebrities hire very qualified nannies who will do all the parenting? I've known kids who grew up rich raised by staff and I'm sure there's always something missing but they can get through life okay.

Jon Bon Jovi's daughter ODed, but survived.

Bruce Willis and Demi Moore's daughter Tallulah is a drug addict and has an eating disorder. Their daughter Scout is an alcoholic.

Hugh Hefner's son Marston was convicted of domestic violence.

Al Gore III, son of the former VP, is a drug addict and alcoholic.

Robert Downey Jr.'s son Indio is a drug addict.

[quote] Some celeb parents cut ties with kids from earlier marriages. I don't think Johnny Carson's kids inherited anything. It all went to his last wife.

Joan Rivers interviewed the guy who was Carson's lawyer--it's on youtube--and he said that the boys did inherit.

Didn't Marie Osmond's son jump from his dorm room window?

Is it true that Carson disowned one son for marrying or dating a black woman?

Johnny Carson was a nasty piece of work. Petty and vindictive little man.

This is a sad ass thread. Went down a google rabbit hole on Christina Onnasis. Damn, she was one sad person

Her only child does look like the grifter dad. Athina looks like she’s doing ok and seems well adjusted considering

R129 I think he threatened to disown the son if he didn't break up with her. So the son did even though he had a daughter with the woman.

[quote] Why can't celebrities hire very qualified nannies who will do all the parenting? I've known kids who grew up rich raised by staff and I'm sure there's always something missing but they can get through life okay.

Drugs, I think.

I know a lot of semi-messed up adult children of rich parents--they also have suffered from neglect, high expectations, narcissism, etc. I think the difference is that they see/saw their parents put a suit on every day and go to work, living a normal routine (even if on a wealthy scale).

I think when the parents are voltaile--and in a very volatile career where they're only sometimes working--and otherwise drugged out themselves, it just makes everything worse.

Someone mentioned Gary Crosby above. But all four of Bing's sons from his first marriage had awful lives, with two of the four committing suicide. I guess Bing learned his lesson from that, because the children from the second marriage turned out okay.

One of Jerry Lewis' sons died of a drug overdose. The other sons said that he was abusive. Jerry also had an out of wedlock daughter who ended up homeless in Philadelphia. Lewis refused to acknowledge the daughter even though a DNA test she took with one his sons showed they were half siblings. Lewis left his sons out of his will and everything was left to his second wife and adopted daughter.

I don't know, R100. Ryan showed he really didn't love his kids at all, but John loved his a little too much!

Art Linkletter's daughter jumped out a window. He blamed it on drugs, but Art was an abusive prick.

Alice Roosevelt was the most famous bride in White House history. Her daughter Paulina was Washington DC's most notorious bastard.

Alice married the much older Nicholas Longworth more for political ambition than for love. Alice dearly wanted to be the First Lady and Nick was a likely candidate for the Presidency. Alice hated having to live n Ohio and deal with Midwestern women. The marriage was unhappy and both partners cheated.

Although Longworth treated Paulina as his own, everyone in DC knew her real father was Senator William Borah from Idaho. Paulina was devastated to be the last to learn that her beloved father was not her real father. She never forgave her famous mother.

Paulina married a rich heir named Alexander Sturm who co-founded the Sturm &, Ruger Co., makers of Ruger firearms. He died of viral hepatitis at age twenty-eight, leaving her with a young daughter. Paulina died of an overdose of sleeping pills five years later at the age of thirty-two.

Alice's White House dreams were dashed when her older husband died young in the 1920s. She never got along with Paulina though she genuinely grieved her death.. Alice adopted her orphaned grand-daughter and had a much better relationship with her.

Honestly, Liza and Lorna could have turned out a lot worse.

The people I know with well-known, or wealthy parents seem mostly damaged by their parents narcissism and lack of interest in them.

Doesn't Regis Philbin have a destitute son with a disability who often publicly begs him for money?

We can't forget Ethel Merman Jr. (Ethel Leavitt Geary) died at age twenty-five of "an overdose of pills" in bed while on vacation with her two small children. Very sad.

Phyllis Diller's oldest daughter Sally was an institutionalized schizophrenic. Another daughter, Stephanie, dropped dead from a stroke while potting flowers next to Diller on Diller's front porch.

R137 but he said the darnedest things!

R140 That son passed away in 2015. IIRC, he had a career in public affairs with the government, but he and his wife ended up with financial problems and hard to Regis for help even though there was estrangement.

R138 bully for you! News to me. A check of images shows that Paulina sure looked like Borah. Sort of like Gable's ears on Young's "adopted" daughter. I think it was Alice R who said to someone, "If you can't say anything nice about [that person], sit by me and tell it."

^ I meant to type had to ask Regis for help.

Carol Burnett’s daughter, Carrie Hamilton, recovered from drug addiction but later got cancer and died in the hospital from pneumonia contracted while being treated for cancer. Very sad.

Regis Philbin's former daughter in-law claims that Joy was the main reason he didn't have much of a relationship with his son Danny and daughter Amy. There was a period when I was watched Regis and Kathy Lee during college in the 90s. I mostly took classes and worked in the afternoons and nights so morning TV shows became a guilty pleasure. I remember Regis always talking about "Joy and the girls". Years later, I was shocked when some news article mentioned Regis' first marriage and the two kids from that marriage.

Joan Davis's daughter (along with her mother and grandchildren) were killed in a house fire in Palm Springs.

R58 Not only did she resemble her father, but to add insult to injury Orson Welles' other daughters took after their mothers AND, of course, Yasmin Aga Khan took after Rita.

Kelly Preston has a son with her first husband whose existence has been mostly scrubbed from the internet.

Dr. Dre son ODed at 20.

One of OJ Simpson's children drowned in a swimming pool. So did Bruce Dern and Diane Ladd's oldest daughter.

One of Mike Tyson's kids died when he became tangled up in a cord that was hanging from an exercise treadmill.

Briefly mentioned by R65, but Barbara Stanwyck's adopted son Dion Anthony Fay. What actually happened to him? I guess Barbara just adopted him for show, but it's pretty detestable to adopt a child and just cast them aside when they don't suit you anymore for whatever reason. Did *any* old Hollywood celebrity who adopted children treat their kids decently? Aside from Loretta Young, naturally.

Peter Sellers' daughter Victoria and Dick Smothers' son were porn actors

R155 Victoria Seller is also best friends with Heidi Fleiss.

Sad, strange and/or tragic lives: Jaden Smith

R151 Hmm... interesting...

Real piece of work, our Victoria. From The Times (London), 3 Oct 2006:

Victoria Sellers faces deportation after arrest

Victoria Sellers, the troubled daughter of the late actor Peter Sellers and the actress Britt Ekland, is to be deported to Britain after being arrested for immigration violations in Hollywood last night.

Ms Sellers, who starred in a sex tips video and has spent time in American jails for drug and robbery-related offences, is being held at an immigration centre in Orange County, California, according to a spokesman for US Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

The spokesman said Ms Sellers, 41, has been living illegally there since April 2002, when an immigration judge revoked her residency and ordered that she leave the country because of a previous criminal conviction.

Ms Sellers will be deported as soon as possible but the spokesperson declined to say when.

R152 do we know where OJ was at the time?

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Art Linkletters daughter Diane may have been pushed out the window of her apartment. She was with a male friend when she "jumped." That same male went on vacation with Carol Wayne in Mexico. Wayne was found drowned in 4 feet of water. Her family said she never went in the water because she couldn't swim. The guy she went in vacation with left Mexico before her body was found. He said they'd had an argument and she went to the beach and he went home.

Kind of suspicious that this guy was present when 2 women died under strange circumstances.

Former NFL coach Tony Dungy's son committed suicide.

R149 Beverly Wills was 30 at the time. She was one of Sweet Sue's girls in Some Like It Hot, the one who tells the joke about the one-legged jockey who tells the woman he's stranded on an island with, "That's okay, lady, I ride side-saddle."

Joan Davis had died 2 years earlier of a heart attack at 48. Beverly's first husband, of 3, was a fireman.

Walter Koenig's son, Arthur, committed suicide in Stanley Park.

R162 LInk? I have never read heard that before!

R77, I knew Sage Stallone when he was in his 20s, young and beautiful, and with a sweet personality to boot. I lost touch with him over the years, so I was shocked and saddened by his premature death from coronary artery disease. When I saw pictures of him taken during his last years on earth, I was stunned by how scruffy and bloated he became.

Peter lawford’s so Christopher died at age 60 of heart attack while doing heated yoga . Christopher has over 30 years sober and Peter killed lived to 68 on drugs. Sad

Burt Bacharach and Angie Dickinson's only daughter, Nikki, had Asperger's and struggled with learning disabilities her whole life. Killed herself by placing a plastic bag over her head and inhaling helium.

R158 I miss the IMDB boards. They had good gossip.

I hadn't heard about many of these...

R166 Mr. Google tells us that the guy was Edward Durston, AKA David Durston. He directed I Drink Your Blood and a few gay pornos. Died at 88.

Ray Milland's son Daniel, struggled with drug addiction and had trouble holding down a job. Put an AK7 to his head and pulled the trigger. Dead at 41.

Mary Tyler Moore's only son, Ritchie Meeker, accidently shot himself in the head. He was only 24.

Carroll O'Connor's son, Hugh, struggled with drug addiction before committing suicide by gunfire. He was 32.

James Arness' daughter, Jenny Lee, was desponded over her breakup with Greg Allman. She took an overdose of sleeping pills after seeing him on Cher's Sunday night tv show. She was 25.

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Edward G. Robinson, Jr. was a wild guy, had brushes with the law, was a friend of Monroe, and died of a heart attack at 40. He was cute.

[quote]The daughter of Gene Kierney, gravely disabled (reportedly due to prenatal exposure to measles ).

Gene Tierney's daughter was born deaf and mentally disabled; a fan broke a measles quarantine and infected the pregnant Tierney while she was volunteering at the Hollywood Canteen. Agatha Christie used the sad story as a plot point in "The Mirror Crack'd."

[quote]Briefly mentioned by [R65], but Barbara Stanwyck's adopted son Dion Anthony Fay. What actually happened to him? I guess Barbara just adopted him for show, but it's pretty detestable to adopt a child and just cast them aside when they don't suit you anymore for whatever reason.

According to Stanwyck biographers, Dion's adoption was a bust from the beginning. Stanwyck had had a terrible childhood and survived by growing up quick and tough. Stanwyck didn't like whining or neediness and her first husband, Frank Fay, was a wife-beating drunk so no love there.

Robert Taylor, Stanwyck's second husband, tried to bond with the boy and do outdoorsy stuff with him, but Dion wasn't very good at that. In fact, the boy just seemed to be a damp squib and unattractive to boot.

In later life Dion just drifted around and got busted a few times for selling porn to minors. Stanwyck kept bailing him out until she didn't. He may have tried to sell his Hollywood upbringing to the scandal sheets but nothing came of it.

William Powell's only child, his son Michael, stabbed himself to death in the shower. He left a 4 page goodbye letter to his father.

I hear the son of Anne Meara and Jerry Stiller turned out to be an incredible asshole.

Arnella Flynn, daughter of Errol and Patrice Wymore, died at 44 after years of cocaine addiction. Her son is gorgeous Luke Flynn.

Powell's son was okay until he got hepatitis, poor man.

Marlene Dietrich left her daughter in the care of a lesbian who molested her.

[quote] Marlene Dietrich left her daughter in the care of a lesbian who molested her.

̶M̶a̶r̶l̶e̶n̶e̶ ̶D̶i̶e̶t̶r̶i̶c̶h̶ Cher left her daughter in the care of a lesbian who molested her.

Not to mention the matter of her cross-dressing son Elijah.

Richard Todd had two sons who committed suicide by shotgun to the head about a decade apart. His mother had also killed herself, by drowning in a cold stream like Ophelia.

I never knew William Powell’s son committed suicide. Stabbing oneself sounds like an extremely painful way to go.

Allegra Versace. An anorexic hot mess.

Mia Farrow’s adopted children.

Someone mentioned Zsa Zsa Gabor's daughter (Francesca Hilton) upthread and it's truly a sad story

Dead for weeks and not one soul would claim her body.

I'm sure I remember reading many years ago that Sage Stallone was autistic. Was that code for something else?

If you're the child of a famous person or a famous couple, it may well be that you're the child of a narcissist. Narcissists don't make the best parents, and don't usually work in the best interest of the child.

“Everybody that really knows Francesca knows why she passed away.  It was a massive heart attack caused by the stress of one Frederic von Anhalt.”

Ultimately, authorities ordered an autopsy and did not allow von Anhalt to claim Francesca’s body.  One of Francesca’s half-brothers, Stephen, reportedly will step forward and claim the body, so that Francesca’s friends can lay her to rest in the manner they believe she would have wanted.

It was quite a fall from grace for the daughter of the woman called “glamour personified” and one the world’s most successful hoteliers of all time.  With all of the time, energy and money invested into battling over her mother’s best interests, it’s too bad that Francesca did not take more care to plan for her own estate.  Francesca could have planned out her funeral and burial arrangements, even if she did not have assets to plan for.  Exercising that forethought would have ended any concern that the man she battled against so fervently may have been the one to plan her funeral and burial.

Jesus Christ. Did Donatella Versace take a picture of H.R Pufnstuf to her plastic surgeon?

Whoever said Jaden Smith upthread made me LOL

R192, Seargeoh Stallone is the autistic child.

In a strange twist, the daughter of Jack Webb, [italic]Dragnet's[/italic] iconic Sgt. Friday, was killed when her car collided with an LA police car.

Suicide by self-stabbing is particularly unsettling.

This blog offers a bit more info on William Powell’s son. The comments are interesting as well.

R147 My sister was friends with Carrie during her newly clean phase and I met her when I was in junior high. She was darling: had the funkiest, cutest clothes and couldn’t have been sweeter to me. We all grieved when we heard of her death.

Celeste Holm's son hated his mother with venom. He didn't want even her name to be mentioned. I think he became a police officer.

Someone mentioned Carrie Fisher was screwed up by her mother which I doubt that. They did have their usual mother and daughter friction when Carrie was growing up, but they patched things up. Debbie Reynolds said Carrie Fisher was bipolar like her father which is one of the main reasons why she had issues with drug use. Also, Eddie Fisher didn't give a rat's ass about ANY of his kids and Debbie tried to be there for them as best as she could. I think when Debbie was told Carrie was dead and there after Debbie said I don't want to live with out Carrie and died, I think that is very telling how much Debbie truly loved her kids and she was devoted to them.

Wow! R178, I didn't know that about Barbara Stanwyck's son. What I herd, like Celeste Holm's son, he too hated his mother and didn't want anything to do with her.

Agnes Moorhead's adopted son was crazy. He carried a gun around and did bizarre things. Eventually Agnes Moorhead threw him out.

Jerry Van Dyke's daughter was in porn ,and died from drug use. She was very messed up.

One time many moons ago I watched the Phil Donahue show with my mother when I was a kid.He was interviewing Sylvester Stallone and his son who at the time was around 12?13? something like that. His son as I recall was a good looking kid. When Phil Donahue would try to ask Sylvester Stallone's son certain questions, Sylvester Stallone kept budding in saying, he is preoccupied with WOMEN! Oh he loves WOMEN on and on about his son and women this and women that. His son looked disgusted and disturbed by his father's obvious obnoxious overbearing reinforcement that his son was girl crazy. His was only 12 or 13 years old. He was just a kid and mother and I were saying, leave the kid alone and let him be a kid.

I wonder how many of the kids of famous parents also had issues because they possibly might have been gay? That must have been difficult to deal with when you have a famous parent or parents ,and your issue could leak to the public.

DL fave Angela Lansbury’s daughter was a Manson follower! She straitened out tho and now runs a popular LA Italian restaurant.

Conclusion: Celebrities shouldn't breed.

I wonder, this is just a guess, if William Powell's son was gay? Maybe he couldn't handle it and he was in the closet? Also, ALOT of gay men get hepatitis. My aunt used to be a nurse and she said they would get a lot of gay men who had hepatitis issues coming in for treatment in the hospital.

Shirley McClain's kid wrote a scathing book about her mother who seemed to treat her as a fashion accessory. It must really hurt to see your selfish, neglectful mother or father play a great parent on the big screen--and even win awards for it. While movie fans might fantasize that the celeb is their parent, the celeb's child fantasizes about being raised by someone else.

Tommy Lee's son Brandon didn't like one of Tommy's social media posts, so he drove over to Tommy's house, knocked him unconscious, and then posted a photo of his beat-up dad on his own social media account. Initially Tommy threatened to press charges, but they seem to have gotten over the ordeal, fortunately.

Melissa Rivers' looks are sad, strange and tragic.

R205, I have to read that book! Didn't her daughter say her father tried to molest her? She sent a copy of her book to her mother and her mother said it was ridiculous garbage. There after, you haven't heard the mother bitch and wanting to sue, etc. I think he daughter is telling the truth because the mother didn't fight the book. At least the daughter wrote the book when the mother is still alive ,and again, she sent her mother a copy of the book so I give her credit for that.

R207, I always thought the same thing ,but I wonder if the real issue is she might need some plastic surgery. I wonder if she misses her mother a lot? They said those two together connected a lot like two sisters. BTW, I can't believe she auctioned off ALL of her mother's Faberge collection. She said I wish I could keep a piece ,but I can't, uh? whaa? her mother left her 100 million dollars. I would have at least kept a couple of pieces of Faberge! Gosh! what gorgeous pieces!!

Tts always been my dream to own at least one piece of Faberge. Here Melissa has access to a collection!! WHAT LUCK!! Sometimes this world sure sucks! LOL!

[quote]Kelly Preston has a son with her first husband whose existence has been mostly scrubbed from the internet.

I'm not sure "being scrubbed from the internet" qualifies as sad, strange, or tragic.

R209, of course Melissa Rivers misses her mother. Was she ever able to get any work outside of her mother's projects? Fortunately for her, she inherited so much money/property from her mom that she doesn't have to work anymore.

Joan was a terrible person. Even many years before her death, she used to publicly bully Amy Carter, a CHILD, for being "ugly". And then in her interviews she would ramble on about how beautiful and gorgeous her own daughter Melissa was.

R183 Lord, he looks almost as old as Pitt. Who's this guy's mother?

Very interesting! I think all kids of famous people wind up that way.

R202 Both of Lansbury’s kids were Manson followers.

What kids of celebrities have turned out well?

R215 I feel that should be a new topic.

r215 r216 It already exists.

I've always wondered about the Will Smith kid who didn't get a showbiz career.

Back in the 90s, tabloids reported that Tahnee Welch, daughter of Raquel Welch, was anorexic.

Ylenia Carrisi, daughter of singing duo Albano Carrisi and Romina Powell, and granddaughter of Tyrone Power and Linda Christian, disappeared while visiting the US in 1994.

We never do hear about the kids who turned out okay.

Still alive but Charlie Sheen.

O.K. Let me tell you a story.

I met Elizabeth Taylor for the first time the night she was on the Tonight Show .

I was working as a waiter in BH and was hiding behind a potted tree smoking.

The place was dead (as it was at night) and she came in with her group.

I called my boss and locked the door.

It's a much longer story but my point is that Elizabeth was an earthy mother. Kind and funny.

I don't get the MJ stuff, but to me she was just great.

Her kids turned out well.

[quote]I've always wondered about the Will Smith kid who didn't get a showbiz career.

His son Trey from his first marriage works as DJ.

I think karma will visit one of the Trump spawn years from now. It'll be a Kennedy curse type tragedy.

R225 Donald Trump pressured Mara Maples to abort Tiffany.

[quote] Mary Tyler Moore's only son, Ritchie Meeker, accidently shot himself in the head. He was only 24.

Was this before or after Ordinary People? That would have been very weird to film after.

[quote] Al Gore III, son of the former VP, is a drug addict and alcoholic.

I was under the impression that despite a rough few years he had cleaned himself up and was married, but honestly I haven't heard much in years. I think the eldest Gore daughter who was the face of her father's 2000 campaign's youth outreach had a great deal of issues too.

[quote]Was this before or after Ordinary People? That would have been very weird to film after.

She filmed it before his death. The movie was released on September 19, 1980 and her son died almost a month later on October 14th.

Didn't Rita Hayworth's grandson get tangled up in escorting or something and die?

[quote]I admire people like Oprah who acknowledge they're not the least bit maternal and subsequently choose a career over parenthood and don't try to do both, thus producing fucked up kids

Katharine Hepburn was the same. In her later years, Hepburn said in interviews that she didn't regret not having children because she was too self-involved and career-focused. She knew she would've been a horrible mother and any kids she'd had would've ended up hating her. She was very smart about that.

r104 I've heard the same about Elizabeth Taylor. In her private life she was very warm and kind to people, and quite bawdy with a raunchy sense of humor.

Mary Tyler Moore admitted that she had fault in some of the issues she and her son had. She mentioned being too focused on her career. They were estranged and later reconnected. I give her credit for admitting to her faults.

Taylor must have done right as a mother. Her estate is large and also complicate, and she had four children with one adopted and fifteen grandkids. No in-fighting has occurred through all this years, and all the grandkids get along. Booze nonwithstanding she must have established sincere and meaningful connections with her off springs. They are all brought up right.

R122 I remember when that happened, and, yes, news stories identified the driver as being Farentino's daughter. It seems to be mostly scrubbed from the internet too because I did a search and the only thing that comes up is Farentino being sued by Kraft's family.

It's amazing that Lorna Luft turned out to be so well-adjusted, because she was Judy's caretaker for the last years, which were absolutely terrifying and insane. Most kids would've been fucked up for life after going through what Lorna went through.

Rita Hayworth's grandson, son of Yasmin Aga Khan, committed suicide at age 25 in 2011.

Damn, Rebecca Welles looked like Meat Loaf in drag. Poor thing.

I'd like to remind you that Carrie Fisher had a FATHER too, r92. Eddie Fisher, remember him? An admitted drug and alcohol abuser who very publicly dumped Carrie's mother for the aforementioned great example of a mother, Liz Taylor.

No doubt Debbie Reynolds had her failings as a mother but she wasn't Carrie's only parent.

Arthur Miller and Inge Morath had a son with Down Syndrome, he was institutionalized and Miller never visited him, spoke about him, acknowledged him, etc. I think Inge visited the son, however.

Michael Musto said Hayworth's grandson did not kill himself.

I could be misremembering but wasn't he also into that sex act where you stick things in your peehole?

[quote][R207], I always thought the same thing ,but I wonder if the real issue is she might need some plastic surgery.

Are you serious? Melissa Rivers already had tons of plastic surgery. She had her father's huge nose. Joan had at least three nose jobs herself.

Melissa now resembles Melissa Gilbert, who also had a nose job.

R211 JR was a nasty git. Especially toward the end. Good riddance

One of Mel Gibson's daughters is married to Kenny Wayne Shephard. Which isn't tragic, but for some reason, I find it so strange and random.

For whomever it was who posted Jonathan Peck, the conclusion of suicide is seen as questionable by many. Author Edward George ("Taming the Beast: Charles Manson's Life Behind Bars") suspects it was a Manson hit.

[quote] Donald Trump pressured Mara Maples to abort Tiffany.

Too bad no one pressured Trump's mother to do the same.

R202, the kids 'straightened out' after lansbury packed up and moved the whole family to ireland.

R125 of course they have nannies. Day nannies, night nannies, drivers, housekeepers, personal chefs, tutors. His doesn’t ensure children will turn out ok. They occasionally need to be acknowledged by their parents in order for that to happen.

[quote]Donald Trump pressured Mara Maples to abort Tiffany.

Donald's mother should have aborted him!

r251 What an original thought!

Great minds think alike...

Bette Davis's daughter claims her mother was a practicing witch. Of course, BD Hymen is a crazy old nasty cunt. But how did she get that way?

I've always wondered what Spencer Tracy's deaf son grew up to be. That was a bizarre domestic situation.

B.D. Hyman is also a homophobe who made anti-gay comments.

R255, he lived a good life. Read below--competed in horse back riding, graduated from college, worked in the props department at Disney.

Bette Davis spoiled BD rotten, and supported her well into adulthood. BD and her lazy-ass husband didn't like to work so Bette paid all the bills. When Bette had her illnesses, her doctors didn't think she would make it so BD wrote the nasty book because she was afraid there would be no more money. She's a lowlife cunt.

Frances Bean Cobain. But she's alright now... isn't she?

Susan Cabot's dwarf son, Timothy, who was allegedly sired by King Hussein of Jordan, was given a steady stream of steroids and experimental hormones since childhood to stimulate growth, which may have led to neurological problems. Anyway, he lived with a mother whose mental health declined to the point that they lived in filth and her own psychiatrists deemed her irrationality emotionally draining. Poor Timothy finally snapped and beat her to death with a barbell bar.

R258, Bette also allowed BD to marry at 16, throwing her a lavish Hollywood wedding. She took the role of Susan Hayward's mother in "Where Love Has Gone" to pay for it.

I think she had been attacking him physically.

Her big film was Wasp Woman, in which she gives herself some wasp serum and things go VERY wrong.

President John Adams had a son who drank himself to death, as did his son John Quincy Adams. The elder Adams also had a daughter who was scarred with smallpox and only capable of attracting a husband who was a reckless, violent and improvident drunkard.

Three of Abraham Lincoln's four sons died before reaching adulthood.

Franklin Pierce's son was killed in a train wreck, dying before his parents eyes shortly before Pierce's term began.

Calvin Coolidge's younger son died of an infected blister he got while playing on the White House tennis court.

First Lady Florence Harding's son drank himself to death five years before his step-father, Warren Harding was elected President.

Theodore Roosevelt's son Kermit was a helpless alcoholic (and possibly a closeted homosexual) who committed suicide in middle age. Theodore's youngest son Quentin was shot down in an airplane in World War One, dying at age eighteen. Theodore died six months later at age sixty, deeply aggrieved by the loss of his son.

JFK Jr. and his step-brother Alexander Onassis both died in small plane crashes. Alexander's sister Christina had a tragic life and she died young as well.

Half the Roosevelts were terrible alcoholics.

[quote]Half the Roosevelts were terrible alcoholics.

As were half the Adamses, the Kennedys, and the Bushes. That's one of many reasons why political dynasties are a bad idea.

And ALL the Bushes were shits.

[quote] I've always wondered what Spencer Tracy's deaf son grew up to be.

I'm going to guess deaf.

[quote] Susan Cabot's dwarf son, Timothy, who was allegedly sired by King Hussein of Jordan, was given a steady stream of steroids and experimental hormones since childhood to stimulate growth, which may have led to neurological problems. Anyway, he lived with a mother whose mental health declined to the point that they lived in filth and her own psychiatrists deemed her irrationality emotionally draining. Poor Timothy finally snapped and beat her to death with a barbell bar.

Quick, someone call Peter Dinklage. We finally found another role for him.

Timothy Cabot didn’t look like a dwarf. The treatments helped?

Agnes Moorehead’s son definitely looks like he’d be a problem though. Found it looking for dwarf-like pictures of Timothy.

Read this shit on Aggie's adopted son.

A hoot. I lost track after the 4th Winkle, but who's counting.

Robert Shapiro’s son died of a drug overdose.

Marie Osmond’s son jumped to his death in Los Angeles.

R263, what's the source for the gay rumors about Kermit Roosevelt? He was married and had four children, born in 1916, 1918, 1919 (! – they didn’t waste any time), and 1925. This suggests a certain enthusiasm for the process. While he might certainly have been bisexual, or even preferred men, he clearly had no problem doing his marital duty on a regular basis well beyond what would have been necessary as a social screen.

He was a nice-looking man, and quite dashing, what with expeditions up the Amazon and serving active military duty in WWII at 50 years of age. His Wikipedia bio is quite interesting.

Here are Kermit and his wife, Belle, in 1926, looking very ... 1926.

[quote]His Wikipedia bio is quite interesting.

Yes, it is. He was a very brave man. It's a pity about the depression and drinking that contributed to his suicide.

The success or failure of the children of successful politicians could be another thread. It seems that the children of the politician have difficulties - Teddy's and Franklin's children are examples - but the grandchildren are more settled and better adjusted.

I love Theodore Roosevelt for a variety of reasons (yes, his legacy also has a number of big disappointments), think he really tried to be a good and involved father (especially for the time), but he was such a huge presence that each of his sons didn't have a chance at measuring up to him in the own minds and the public perception.

Same with Franklin and Eleanor's children.

Joan was a terrible person. Even many years before her death, she used to publicly bully Amy Carter, a CHILD, for being "ugly". And then in her interviews she would ramble on about how beautiful and gorgeous her own daughter Melissa was.

R211, who didn't mention Amy Carter being ugly? Also, the kid was a horrible brat.

Posters on here are talking about B.D. you should read the book "Miss D and Me: Life with the Invincible Bette Davis" by Kathryn Sermark." This is a super book. This lady was Bette Davis secretary and she did numerus other things for Bette Davis as well.She worked for her towards the end of her life. She mentions B.D. being awful and absent. This lady grew close to Bette Davis, and at times Bette Davis could be a bit mean. However, this lady liked Bette Davis a lot. She is straight forward in her book, and she has many things to say.

Rosemary Kennedy.

Lobotomised to stop her fucking.

Sting laughably said he'd never support any of his children, yet most of them are unemployed, even the ones who are actresses and a son and daughter who are musicians, they sure don't earn enough money to pay all their bills.

His eldest son, Joe, from his first marriage to Irish actress Frances Tomelty, is 42. He has a band, Fiction Plane, but they sure aren't well known. His eldest daughter, Fuchsia, an actress, is 37. His daughter with Trudie, Mickey Sumner has been in several films with Greta Gerwig, She seems the most successful, but hardly a box-office name. His lesbian daughter Eliot Paulina is a bassist and singer, she looks exactly like Sting as young man. So, no nose job!

So you know he was full of shit when he made that statement years ago about not supporting his kids. He recent talked about doing a 16 show Las Vegas residency, I assume he'd do it for year.

He seems unable to come up with any new songs, his latest album is more of his older songs re-vamped. Yet he keeps plugging away, gotta keep making that money! Gotta keep supporting those six adult children of his and keeping his wife Trudie in high-end designer clothes.

R279, are you his mistress? You seem to be unreasonably bitter about these people.

[quote]His eldest son, Joe, from his first marriage to Irish actress Frances Tomelty, is 42. He has a band, Fiction Plane, but they sure aren't well known. His eldest daughter, Fuchsia, an actress, is 37.

That is just sad. At those ages, nothing is ever going to happen as far as a career in music or acting (esp. music) and they just need to hang it up and go do something else with their lives.

[quote]expeditions up the Amazon and serving active military duty in WWII at 50 years of age

Teddy used expeditions to perk himself up when depression hit, and it was also a form of rich WASP-o rehab, since it was easier to dry out away from civilization.

Being stationed in Alaska was the Army's way of honoring the family without putting K in a position where he might cause danger or damage due to his alcoholism

The children og Josef and Magda Goebels.

R279 maybe he was bluffing in the hope that his moocher children will finally be inspired to get a job rather than waiting around for their inheritance.

[quote][R279], are you his mistress? You seem to be unreasonably bitter about these people.

You sound like a bloody moron. A mistress?! LOOL I'm a gay man and not bitter at all. That's what you got out of my post, bitterness? I swear, so many people today do have reading comprehension problems!

I'm a huge Police and Sting fan, I've been following Sting's private life since I became a fan. I simply think it was incredibly stupid of a man, who is worth $400 million, to make such a statement, that he was NEVER going to help his children. I think he also stated he wasn't going to leave any money to them either!

What does he even do with with his endless stream of money? The money does keep coming in, he still sells his back catalogue of music. He still tours. He produces wine at his Tuscany vineyard. He's loaded, so why make such ridiculous statement? It's not as if he's strapped for cash.

Why not help your children, especially if they're all serious about their careers. I do know one son, Giacomo, is a cameraman, he's probably working.

Last I heard, Sting has 8 residences. No one needs 8 residences. A few years ago, he sold his CPW NYC co-op for about 30 million, not sure if he still has a place in Manhattan. The CPW residence was his third apartment in the city. Years ago, he lived near a close friend on Prince Street, that was Sting's first NYC residence. My friend would see Sting and Trudie all the time when they had their loft on Prince.

When maths teachers get money, no one in the world will be more pretentious.

Here's my two cents: Harper Simon, oldest son of Paul Simon, was a total asshole and brat in his twenties. He was banned from countless restaurants on the UWS of Manhattan for causing near-riots.

I once read some online gossip many moons ago that Paul Simon was a pedophile who liked little boys. The website was usually never wrong.

R277 I read that book and it was very weak tea, Sermak was more a gopher than the surrogate daughter implied, which probably suited Bette. She described 'Miss D' as a ladylike paragon which we all know and love her for not being. BD is a monster, but the adopted son Michael seems well adjusted, he didn't have the attention lavished on him that BD did, I suspect Bette was the kind of helicopter parent we all hate today, those who thinks their kid is the greatest and gives them everything except a sense of responsibility or respect. Though only the biological one got the full lazerbeam, the adopted ones not so much. Margot ,the adopted daughter who turned out to be mentally handicapped, was set up in a home and Bette took pride in telling everyone how well cared for she was. I was surprised to find out Bette was not quite as devoted as advertised and Gary Merrill paid for their daughter's care from the 60's on and set up a trust for her care after his death in 1990 , Bette made no provision in her will for Margot ( no doubt for reasons that were well known to her! ).

Another messy star kid life, tho' her parentage spared her being murdered at one point!

Susan was also known for her trenchant performance in the epic Sorority Girl, r262!

Dorothy Dandridge’s daughter was doomed from the start. Instead of going to the hospital when her water broke, Dorothy, so obsessed with her husband cheating on her, physically delayed her labor so she could find him and make him come to the hospital with her. Her daughter, Harolyn, lost a significant amount of oxygen and suffered severe, irreversible brain damage as a result. She was a pretty girl, but nothing was upstairs. Dorothy was foolish. He husband ended up leaving her to find success in Europe, saddling her with a disabled daughter. She was forced to institutionalize Harolyn while she pursued her career. After it peaked and her second husband, some white lowlife named Jack Denison, cleaned her out financially, Harolyn was kicked out of the expensive hospital and placed in state care. I don’t even think that she was aware that her mother died. Sad all around.

Peaches Geldof...typically I don't care either way about celeb kids but I felt bad for this one.

I always felt bad for Julian Lennon.

Les Moonves granddaughter living in squalor.

Yikes r292. That was a sad ass story

Moonves' blonde-haired son looks NOTHING like him.

"Rosemary Kennedy.... Lobotomised to stop her fucking."

Don't you mean 'to stop Joe from fucking her'?

"what's the source for the gay rumors about Kermit Roosevelt? He was married and had four children, born in 1916, 1918, 1919 (! – they didn’t waste any time), and 1925. This suggests a certain enthusiasm for the process"

I don't know much about Kermit Roosevelt but Ted Haggard has like five or six kids and we know he likes guys. You don't need to have sex eight times a day to have a few kids, if your wife is fertile and not using birth control.

"Rosemary Kennedy.... Lobotomised to stop her fucking."

That's not why she was lobotomized.

Poor Harolyn. Harolyn or Carolyn, r29r?

[quote]"Rosemary Kennedy.... Lobotomised to stop her fucking."

[quote]That's not why she was lobotomized.

Yeah, it was -- she started taking off at night and fucking random strangers, according to Laurence Leamer in his book, The Kennedy Women: The Saga of an American Family

Amy Carter flunked out of Brown.

Because Joan was a bitch.

Amy Stiller is far worse then the poster upthread claiming Ben is an asshole. Emotionally abuses everyone in her path and that includes every waiter on the UWS. I loved her parents growing up but they must have done some damage.

Didn’t mean to claim the actual poster is an asshole.

R290, vintage gossip “Simon, Paul. Humorless personality. Failed marriage to Carrie Fisher. Currently married to Edie Brickell. Linked with Shelley Duvall and various nameless boys.”

R282, Kermit had served in the British army before we were officially at war and had been wounded in Norway. (This is all from Wikipedia; I have no special knowledge of the man, although my interest has been piqued.) Once we were in the war and K transferred back to the US Army, apparently FDR intervened to protect his cousin’s wife and the Roosevelt family from embarrassment. It was kindly meant, but surely being stationed in Alaska in the 1940s was the worst possible thing for an alcoholic depressive.

Is there a biography of Kermit Roosevelt in print? I couldn’t find one on Google. His life would make a great movie, albeit one with a sad ending.

[quote]I don't know much about Kermit Roosevelt but Ted Haggard has like five or six kids and we know he likes guys. You don't need to have sex eight times a day to have a few kids, if your wife is fertile and not using birth control.

R302, right, but: (1) KR operated in a different world from TH. Haggard's world encourages extensive procreation. In Roosevelt's upper-class WASP world, by the early 20th century, there would have been nothing odd or unusual with having only 1 or 2 children. (2) While having 4 children close together doesn't prove KR was purely heterosexual (any more than TH's adventures prove he is exclusively homosexual), it implies nothing to suggest that he was not. That's why I asked about evidence.

There are rumors about his grandson, KR III, and I was wondering if the first post perhaps confused the two.

R280 well, you nailed it. Yes, I AM bitter. I've been a fan of his for decades, but whenever I've reached out to him, zilch. Nada. ZERO. Unanswered cards. Unacknowledged gifts. No response to my request for an autograph. People like me MADE that SOB! The skinny little shit. Fuck him.

R279

R281 I grew up in a small town. A handful of families owned everything. A girl from one of those families went to LA to be an actress after college. She's 38 or 39 now and her IMDB page is grim. Just a handful of parts in shorts and some stand-in work. Why do these people keep going?

R314 so true! She should just finish herself off. And stop taking up space and contributing to global warming. And disgracing her family. And being untalented.

R314, I know some wealthy people (kids) who went to LA to be stars and died there (figuratively speaking).

How they keep going is that they have peers exactly like them and they have made a life and a routine there for themselves. They all (aspiring starlets) go to the gym together, go to restaurants together, go to the same acting classes--hire the same acting guru for private lessons. If you have enough money that you don't need to work--and can live high on the hog without working--trying to break in can turn into a lifestyle.

Alice Roosevelt said, probably in jest, that she was going to name her daughter DeBorah, but she chickened out and named her Paulina.

R292 I'm a big Lorre fan, and that was all news to me. How terribly sad. As grim as Lorre's great "M."

R313, well, you sound pretty self-aware of your feelings. Maybe it would help to take a break from following these people on social media/ the news: get out for a bit, make friends, go to events in your neighborhood. Life is too short to be bitter about a bunch of celebrities.

Good luck

[quote]Alice Roosevelt said, probably in jest, that she was going to name her daughter DeBorah

They just don't make first daughters like that anymore.

John Barrymore Sr created a lineage of damaged kids.

He begat John Drew Barrymore, messed up son, who begat Drew Barrymore, messed up daughter and granddaughter.

Drew's grandmother was the beautiful Dolores Costello. She was mostly in silent films, but was excellent as the mother of cute Tim Holt in Welles' "Magnificent Ambersons." Isn't Drew ok these days?

I'm in touch with two people I knew in college (a man and a woman) who went out to LA to be actors. They're both in their early 40s now and nothing has happened, but they're still plugging along. You just think "give it up already! You're both far too old to break through in that business! Go do something else."

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Jon Hamm said he gave himself 5 years to make a living as an actor, and if he didn't he knew he could move on without regret.

Clark Gable's grandson and host of Cheaters died of a fentanyl overdose. His father, John Clark Gable, was/is a mess too, right?

R292 I didn't know Peter Lorre had any children, how sad!

R260, I remember reading that story about about Susan Cabot and her son. It was on a site like Find a Death and was a pretty gritty story including the inside of the house being filthy and run down. I dont remember the details but I think it was a strange mother/son relationship.

I didn't know this about the Getty grandson--

[quote] The kidnapping had a traumatic effect on the young Getty and likely contributed to the alcoholism and drug addiction that ravaged his life. In 1981, at the age of 25, he suffered a debilitating stroke after taking a Valium, methadone, and alcohol cocktail which caused him liver failure and a stroke, leaving him quadriplegic and partially blind.

Poor man.

John Paul Getty III's son is the very handsome Balthazar Getty. He struggled with a drug problem when he was young, but seemed to find stability in marriage and fatherhood. That is, until he walked out on his wife to for Sienna Miller. He eventually went back to his wife.

Helen Lawson's unfortunate daughter, Elvira, the product of an earlier tryst with a Nicaraguan salesclerk from the corner five and dime, was born with clubfoot and humped back. Although Elvira was quite intelligent, she was socially awkward, nervous, and stuttered in the presence of company. As La Lawson's career took off, the glamorous stage diva became so embarrassed by such ungainly progeny that she passed her off as the help. Ironically, Elvira's congenital defects may have been the direct results of Mama Helen's penchant for embibing dry martinis throughout her pregnancy.

Poor Elvira was in the middle of penning her memoirs, "Mother Hell,"  when she tripped over her clumsy feet and went crashing through a plate glass window in the shabby Mount Kisco home she once shared with mama. It took weeks before her body was discovered, as nobody ever came to visit. But by then, the hungry cats had had their fill of her.

Tina Cassini, Gene Tierney’s other daughter, also had quite the battle for Oleg Cassini’s estate. She died a couple of years ago.

R287 What in the name of fuck is that? Is it mentally ill and anorexic?

I'm surprised no one's mentioned Dominique Dunne yet.

Marie Trintignant, daughter of Jean-Louis Trintignant and Nadine Trintignant, was basically murdered by her musician boyfriend Bernard Cantat. He only ended up going to jail for 4 years.

Depardieu 's son Guillaume, also an actor, died young of an infection IIRC . He had long had a drug problem, possibly conquered that.

Just because someone was murdered does not mean they led a sad or tragic life.

^ Being murdered is rather fucking tragic – regardless of how charmed one’s life was prior.

[quote]I'm in touch with two people I knew in college (a man and a woman) who went out to LA to be actors. They're both in their early 40s now and nothing has happened, but they're still plugging along. You just think "give it up already! You're both far too old to break through in that business! Go do something else."

When my Mom and Dad married, their first LA apartment was in Echo Park. The handyman/manager turned out to also be the landlord, who owned many properties around the city. He also did some sort of grunt work at one of the new TV stations, and mom and dad admired how hard he worked. Later, he made a killing on the sale of one of his big lots, and the next they heard, the 40+ year old landlord was taking acting classes.

Years later, they saw him again, playing the cop in The Odd Couple TV show and then later as the diner owner in early Happy Days. So it worked out for Al Molinaro, although plugging away doesn't have the same power as it used to.

[quote]I always felt bad for Julian Lennon.

Julian isn't doing too bad, he's become a children's book author. The books have done extremely well.

R300 ouch that can’t be true, can it?

Peter Lorre's daughter Catharine. She only narrowly escaped The Hillside Stranglers in 1977. They had intended to kidnap and murder her -- the police were looking for a lone suspect in the series of murders that plagued L.A. in the late '70s, unaware that they were actually after a pair of pattern killers -- but she just happened to mention who her father was to them. After they were apprehended, they admitted that they only let her live because they liked her father's movies. Peter Lorre ultimately died of a stroke when she was just eleven, and her mother died from alcoholism not long after. Catharine was just seventeen, so Lorre's first wife looked after her. She married, but her husband died in a motorcycle wreck after only a few years of marriage. She would ultimately die at just thirty-two from terrible complications related to diabetes. Like Zsa Zsa Gabor's daughter, she was a forgotten person, her corpse left unclaimed in the morgue for a month before anyone could figure out her true identity.

Mentioning Alice Roosevelt, I love her quote; "If you can't say something nice about somebody, come sit by me." How true,

That's so terrible. Some people can't get a break.

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R346 Be careful, you'll summon the Mia is Bitch troll

But she adopted kids that had medical problems already, I think.

At least she was a doll, r332......

R346 Mia is widely represented as a sort of benevolent earth mother but there have been abuse allegations from more than one of her children. Interesting how the media glosses over these things. She was widely reported to have treated one of the adopted daughters, Lark, as a "scullery maid ". Her Son Moses said that Mia was verbally and physically abusive to him. I dislike playing this card but I wonder if the media (and public at large ) place greater value on-the-go testimony of the blonde, white children over the "foreign " Asian kids. These children certainly had pre existing issues but the level of dysfunction within one home seemed to be disproportionate.

R151 he was probably scrubbed from the internet because he’s not a Scientology follower?

R350, I agree with you Mia Farrow seems crazy.

Mia seemed to need to hoard children. For me there's always been something unhealthy about how she went about building that brood.

During the Darfur conflict when someone was being held hostage she actually volunteered to take that person's place. Pretty amazing.

I do however have an image of her as hostage and annoying her captors so much that they end up paying someone to get her off their hands. Like the O'Henry story "The Ransom of Red Chief," IIRC.

Who was the actress whose son died after scaling a fence, ripping his femoral artery apart? Someone French, iirc...

Romy Schneider's son R355

Wow. Never heard of that one, R356. Sounds like the kid was essentially impaled by the fence.

I would add to the list Christopher Sean Bixby, son of Bill Bixby and Brenda Benet, who at six years old fell ill and died in the hospital waiting room.

“Bixby once bitterly told an interviewer: ‘My son suffocated while the doctor inside...was removing a splinter from the finger of another doctor.’”

The pain of Christopher’s death drove his mother, actress Brenda Benet, to commit suicide in 1982.

I'm blanking on some of the details, but wasn't the son of astronaut Wally Schirra arrested for sex offenses? I think he was arrested for booking child sex tours in Thailand or somewhere overseas

Diana Barrymore, ill fated daughter of John....

Grace Kelly's daughter Stephanie has had some rough spots. The accident that took her mother's life likely was the start of her troubles. Caroline had some hard times, too.

Just read an interview with Anjelica Huston. She sounds strange.

I thought bill bixby’s son was choking?

Susan Saint James and tv producer Dick Ebersol lost their 14 year-old son, Teddy, in a plane crash that Dick and eldest son, Charlie, had survived. At first it was believed Teddy was ejected upon impact and was listed as missing, but days later his mangled body was discovered pinned underneath the wreckage.

Casey Johnson. Johnson & Johnson heiress. Pretty blonde rich lesbian (dated Tila Tequila, remember?), lifelong diabetic and drug addict, died alone, body wasn’t found for days.

All that money couldn’t cure any of her diseases or make her happy.

Oh, and I think she had adopted a kid, too. Jesus Christ.

It's so sad to me that someone could just die, and their body not be found for days.

I've known three people who killed themselves and they were found within hours.

(Well, one was a gunshot. But still, the others made no noise, but they were still found within hours.)

I feel like I could die alone and not be discovered for days.

David Bowie's son was mostly raised by a nanny cause Bowie was too fucked up at the time and seems to have turned out well. Bowie left the nanny money when he died. Seems like Iman's daughter from her first marriage had her problems with Iman and was obese for a while.

[quote]I dislike playing this card but I wonder if the media (and public at large ) place greater value on-the-go testimony of the blonde, white children over the "foreign " Asian kids. These children certainly had pre existing issues but the level of dysfunction within one home seemed to be disproportionate.

It sort of bothered me when Ronan and Dylan said that Moses and Soon-Yi's stories of abuse by Mia were false, yet they pretty much expect people to believe their allegations against Woody. I think Woody and Mia are both fucked up people in different ways and I don't think they will ever know the whole truth of went down. I don't believe Mia is the saint that Ronan and Dylan make her out to be.

R369 According to the book Model: The Ugly Business of Beautiful Women, Iman lost custody of her first daughter due to her cocaine problem.

Why doesn't anyone ever talk about Ginger Rogers ' children?

r372 Because no one under 50 knows who she is.

I didn't think Ginger had kids.

[quote] Because no one under 50 knows who she is.

Of course, we do.

I'm in my 30s. All of us who grew up dancing (especially tap dancing) memorized and loved Ginger, Fred, Ann Miller, Vera, Gene, and Eleanor on AMC.

R369 that's not what Duncan says. His nanny replaced his mother, not his father.

R374 maybe that's why nobody talks about them.

Ann Miller's baby only lived 3 hours after being born. Presumably there were complications after Ann fell or was pushed (depending on which version you believe) down a flight of stairs when she was pregnant.

I actually think Ann Miller would have been a decent mom.

they don't get nannies, or at least good ones, because narcissistic parents do not want to be replaced or have their authority usurped. especially if the nanny is remotely good looking. that's why a lot of these famous people that do have nannies have ugly ones and a rotating army so their kids cannot get too attached.

[quote] Carroll O'Connor's son Hugh had addiction issues and ended up committing suicide at age 33.

Does every Norman Lear show have a drug or sex scandal attached to it now?

R372, Ginger never gave birth to or adopted any children. And in interviews given up until the end of her life, she claimed she never regretted it.

In 2018,it was reported that Casper van dien and Carrie Mitchums (daughter of Robert Mitchum )son, Cappy, had hung himself and was comatose. But the strange part is there was never any follow up and the story just sort of died. It's not clear if he is still in a coma, or if he has made any recovery.

Forgot to mention that Casper van diens daughter with Catherine Oxenberg, India, was a former member of the NXIVM sex cult.

R385, Casper was India's stepfather.

[quote]Ann Miller's baby only lived 3 hours after being born. Presumably there were complications after Ann fell or was pushed (depending on which version you believe) down a flight of stairs when she was pregnant.

Baby probably had Fetal Hairspray Inhalation Syndrome.

Giulietta Masina miscarried her and Federico Fellini's first child after falling down the stairs. Their second child died of encephalitis. After that, they chose not to have any more children.

Klaus Kinski's daughter was sexually abused by him. Which is weird when you think that Nastassia Kinski later had an affair with Roman Polansk.i . . .

He abused his daughter Pola.

The offspring of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex will OWN this thread in about 20 years, I’m afraid.

R381, are you kidding? Almost all famous people use nannies

R392 This is true. Even the ones that say they don't, do.

R381 read the whole comment ffs. and there are several that don't and many of them are in this thread.

Hemingway's granddaughter committed suicide. She was so messed up. She was molested when she was a little kid, and before she died she said the person who molested her was a well known man was an older man who was the molester.

Eric Clapton's son fell to his death from a multiple story building when the toddler was on the nanny's watch.

Marie Osmond once said she was molested by a famous older man when she was just a little kid. She said she had a lot of problems through out her life as a result of being molested.

R365, Is that the daughter who was molested by her father Seward Johnson? He was an evil man.

I once heard Mia Farrow is a shrew. That Hollywood insider who was once on DL, Susan Kastner, said she had a friend whose kid went to the same school as Mia's kids. She said her friend's kid went to the same school as Mia's kids. Susan said her friend said Mia is completely nuts. Susan said her friend was waiting for her son to gather his things to go home when Mia ran right up to her and said to Susan's friend, please take my kid home and ran off. I agree with the poster on here who says Mia and Woody are both loony in their own way.

BTW, one time I was helping my dad and his wife with their garage sale, and this old guy got into a conversation with my dad. He said he was related to one of the Barrymores I can't remember which one, but his parents inherited the man's mansion when he was a little kid. He said the mansion was extremely gorgeous ,but it was so neglected inside to the point his parents were astonished. The house was neglected as a result of being an acholic. He said he remembers this enormous chandelier that crashed at one time to the floor. He said by the look of the chandelier's shape and prisms it must have been stunning at one time. It's hard to explain ,but I believe this old man was telling the truth and he wasn't spouting BS. We live in Northern California so its not unusual once in a blue moon to come across a person who is someone who maybe famous, or maybe there is someone who may be related to someone famous.

R365 I remember her! That was sad. She was friends with Paris Hilton. She was really a mess.

Drew Barrymore took care of her dad at the end of his life. She paid for him to live in a senior center in Santa Monica until his death.

"Hemingway's granddaughter committed suicide. She was so messed up. She was molested when she was a little kid, and before she died she said the person who molested her was a well known man was an older man who was the molester."

Are you referring to Margaux?

Contested definition of ‘famous’ and circumstances may yet improve, but for now Drake Bell, son of pro-billiards Hall of Famer and G.C.B Robin Bell-Dodson, has been having some interesting challenges. I wonder if Robin still feels a proud mother.

for the record:

Childcare givers a rotated regularly in BH.

It's not for poor performance but because parents don't want their spawn to become too attached.

Also, when you are embedded in a family, you see and hear too much. Way too much.

When Mia Farrow and Woody Allen were going through legal battles in the 90s, a former household employee of Mia's came forward and said that she saw Mia slapping Moses. The media glossed over that back then and still glosses over the stories of abuse and mistreatment in Mia's household. I bet Ronan has made sure that certain things about Mia get buried and are never publicly revealed.

Is slapping a kid really considered mistreatment, though? When I was growing up (in the 80s), most kids were slapped by their parents.

Don't get the people who believe every bad story they hear about Mia....but think Woody is a saint

OMG, look at Tila Tequila now! She has two kids and found God.

Another ex whore who "found Jesus"

R404, it’s possible to find them both creepy and awful and talented at the same time. I do.

It’s interesting to see how some DLers (and people in genera) have such strict black and white thinking. You don’t have to choose a side and attack the other. You can observe objectively like an anthropologist.

I love many of Woody's films, and the more I read about Mia the more I wonder where the truth lies-

r408 All because you like his films? If anything they're both awful.

[quote]Is slapping a kid really considered mistreatment, though? When I was growing up (in the 80s), most kids were slapped by their parents.

I would say it varies from case to case. I got slapped as a kid after being disrespectful or doing other stupid shit. If a parent is slapping their kids for stupid little reasons then I can see it being considered mistreatment.

R394 they ALL use nannies, including the ones who say they don’t. The other posters are right.

Moses has cerebral palsy. It’s pretty fucked up to slap a disabled kid.

Mia Kovacs, daughter of Ernie Kovacs and Edie Adams.

From findagrave.com:

“Daughter of legendary comic Ernie Kovacs and actress Edie Adams. She was just beginning a career as an actress when she was killed in an automobile accident on Mulhullond Drive in Los Angeles. Losing control over her car, she ran off the road and the car rolled, ejecting her through the sunroof and killing her instantly. She was 22 years old when she died. She had appeared in just one movie, “On the Air Live with Captain Midnight” (1979), in the role of Spunky, the blonde girlfriend of teenager Ziggy who starts a pirate radio station in Los Angeles and manages to stay just ahead of the FCC agents trying to shut down the station. Her accident is similar to the way in which her father, Ernie Kovacs, was killed. Some information about her life can be found in biographies about her father, including "The Ernie Kovacs Phile" (1975) by David Walley, and "Kovacsland: A Biography of Ernie Kovacs" (1990) by Diana Rico.”

Holy shit R415- I started googling the Kovacs and they all die so young!! Mia's sister died in her early 50's, and her daughter also died 2 years ago- Good lord/ depressing!

R415, Ernie was driving a Corvair when he crashed.

Can you imagine the pressure of being Rita Hayworth's daughter and looking like a fat Janis Joplin?

R418 and other such pressures is probably why Rebecca Welles headed for the hills.

It has to be tough to be homely AF, but you have a beautiful parent.

Look at poor Alexa Ray Joel. She's had several nervous breakdowns because her whole life she's had to hear "wow, you look NOTHING like your mother!" And then she has a half-sister who's as gorgeous as Christie. Mother Nature can be a real cunt sometimes.

Pre-surgery Alexa Ray Joel. Imagine looking like this when your mother is drop-dead gorgeous.

She looks like a young Patti LuPone.

^^And that's NOT a compliment!

She looks like Meat Loaf had a baby with Mama Cass

Ben Vereen's daughter died in a car accident at age 16. Very short life.

Angela Lansbury's daughter Deirdre got away from the Mansons while the getting was good, even if it resulted in LucyMAME.

[quote]r40 Melcher dated Candace Bergen? Poster upthread claimed she lived with him?

Yes. They'd known each other since childhood, and when Bergen moved back to California after college they lived together for several years.

[quote]Marie Osmond once said she was molested by a famous older man when she was just a little kid. She said she had a lot of problems through out her life as a result of being molested.

Copycat. Next you'll be telling us that Jimmy Osmond likes blue.

All of them. Every last one. I used to think the Newman kids turned out well. Then I met the older daughter. A mess. Her, her husband, her family.

[quote]r103 Mercedes McCambridge's son shot to death his wife, children and himself.

I forgot about that! They need to AT LEAST make a Lifetime Original Movie about it.

R429 they weren't exactly thrilled with you.

Jennifer Jones gorgeous youngest son Michael Walker reportedly became a recluse the last few years of his life and is alledged to have died from an overdose of propofol-the same drug that killed another Michael- Jackson.

Candice Bergen in her prime lived for years with Terry "massive overbite" Melcher??

That is the most compelling evidence yet that she's 100% lesbian.

R434 He cheated on her constantly too.

And to think they called Mike Love an asshole!

R86 let's see, there's Michael, Randy, Tito… and then there’s Stonewall Jackson, but I don’t remember him on the Victory Tour.

R395 If you're talking about Margaux, she was molested by her father, Jack Hemingway. He molested her sister Muffet too. Mariel says she avoided he abuse by sleeping in her mother's bed as a child. Her death was initially reported as an accident, but Mariel now says it was suicide.

I remember Margaux's beautiful magazine ads from the 70s.

I was very sad when she died.

R409 I'll never understand why people don't want to believe things about someone because they're a fan of that person's work. Though that may be because my mom's favorite actor is Errol Flynn, and she she's read all the books about him and loves to recount his escapades.

[quote][R408] All because you like his films? If anything they're both awful.

Woody is an adulterer, but not a pedo. But the more I read about Mia the more I understand why he wanted out.

R441 You know, he could've just broken up with her and moved on with his life without taking nude photos of her daughter and leaving them for her to find?

The daughter was old enough, and they had never been married, just cohabiting.

He also could have stayed married to Louise Lasser.

No matter how old they are, nobody wants to find nudie pictures of their child in their significant other's home.

[quote]r427 When Bergen moved back to California after college they lived together for several years.

I wanted to be concise, but in a nod to our saphic sisters, I should have pointed out Bergen moved back to California after college, a successful modeling career, AND making her screen debut as a FULL THROTTLE LESBIAN in [italic]The Group[/italic] ... alongside Lucille Bluth and J.R. Ewing.

Kurt Vonnegut's son Mark belongs in both this thread and the productive children one.

He had a breakdown after he graduated from college. He was diagnosed with severe schizophrenia and committed. Later, he graduated from Harvard Medical School and has been a pediatrician for decades. He subsequently wrote two bestselling books on his struggles with mental illness, which he says was misdiagnosed and suffers from bipolar disorder.

R281 plenty of lower level musicians and actors can make a career out of it.

R263, regarding President Franklin Pierce:

Wikipedia:

Pierce was popular and outgoing, but his family life was a grim affair, with his wife Jane suffering from illness and depression for much of her life. All of their children died young, their last son being gruesomely killed in a train accident while the family was traveling shortly before Pierce's inauguration. He was a heavy drinker for much of his life, and he died of cirrhosis of the liver in 1869....

Jane Pierce was shy, devoutly religious, and pro-temperance, encouraging Pierce to abstain from alcohol. She was somewhat gaunt, and constantly ill from tuberculosis and psychological ailments. She abhorred politics and especially disliked Washington, D.C., creating a tension that would continue throughout Pierce's political ascent...

They had three sons, all of whom died in childhood. Franklin Jr. (February 2–5, 1836) died in infancy, while Frank Robert (August 27, 1839 – November 14, 1843) died at the age of four from epidemic typhus. Benjamin (April 13, 1841 – January 6, 1853) died at the age of 11 in a train accident...

On January 6, 1853, Benjamin "Bennie" Pierce, the 11-year-old son of President-elect Franklin Pierce was killed in a train accident in town. The Boston & Maine noon express, traveling from Boston to Lawrence, was moving at 40 miles per hour when an axle broke. The only coach, in which Franklin Pierce was also riding, went down an embankment and broke in two. (The baggage car and locomotive remained on the track.) Pierce's son Benjamin was the only passenger killed, but it was initially reported that Franklin Pierce was also a fatality.

Bette Davis adopted a child that turned out to be mentally ... deficient.

Institutionalized for life, with the mind of a 4-year-old.

[quote]plenty of lower level musicians and actors can make a career out of it.

Actors and musicians in their late 30s/early 40s who've never made a career of it to begin with aren't going to suddenly become successful at those ages.

Bette Davis and the brain damaged Margot:

“Scripps-Carmody was 3½ years old when she saw her father kill her mother in their Bronxville, N.Y., mansion on New Year's Eve 1993. Her father subsequently jumped off the Tappan Zee Bridge in New York City, killing himself.” She was an heiress to the Scripp’s fortune, but she is a heroin addict in and out of jail. I think her sister jumped off the same bridge.

Love how Bette avoided getting that hideous wig wet in the pool.

You talk about her like she was seven or eight then.

Max Factor heir is a rapist doing life in San Quentin.

^ Luster is in Chowchilla.

Didn’t Ralph Macchio’s daughter Julia (who looks the spit of him) get in some trouble as a teen that caused her to fall out with Daddy? It was a vague rumor that was hushed up quick so I assume it was either falsity, or fairly dire and dramatic truth.

They have a close amicable relationship now (or at least appear to on social media) and she has a burgeoning career as a musical theater actress that is going well so it obviously wasn’t anything Ralph did.

Have y'all mentioned the midget son of [italic]Wasp Woman's[/italic] Susan Cabott, who beat her to death with a dumbell?

R438, As I recall, she was not found for days and only after her neighbors became concerned.

I was just gonna write that Margeaux was also one of the unfortunate who was found badly decomposed.

I guess Mariel did not keep in touch.

From the daughter of Larry Hagman concerning letters singed by granny

Signed

Mary Martin, your grandmother

Well she wasn't gonna sign "grandfather "!

R463 why was she so formal?

Was Robert Durst mentioned in this thread? I've read most of it but don't remember seeing his name.

From Wiki, "Robert Alan Durst (born April 12, 1943) is an American real estate heir, the son of New York City mogul Seymour Durst, and the elder brother of Douglas Durst, head of the Durst Organization. He is suspected of murdering three individuals in different states: Kathleen McCormack Durst, his first wife, who disappeared in New York in 1982; Susan Berman, his longtime friend, who was killed in California in 2000; and his neighbor, Morris Black, who was killed in Texas in 2001. Durst was the subject of a multi-state manhunt and was ultimately convicted of dismembering Black, but acquitted of his murder."

Durst murdered Susan Berman, a journalist and author and daughter of mob figure "Davie the Jew" Berman.

I read a couple of her books. In one she described life in LA at the time (70s-80s). One thing struck me was her talk of breast implants and how, at the time, some became hard as rocks. Apparently LA guys complained about that.

Alexa Ray Joel is a beautiful young woman. She

It is possible to be beautiful without looking anything like Christie Brinkley.

She also inherited none of her father's musical talent.

It is possible to die... it is possible... to die...

Goddamn, Terry Melcher was one ugly, deformed looking sone of a bitch. Did they have thalidomide way back then??

R433 I was just going to Michael Walker. For some reason I had thought both of Jennifer Jones' and Robert Walker's sons turned out okay, guess not really.

"His Lawrenceville '59 roommate, Dan Bull, wrote: "I spent a lot of time with Mike and his brother Bob not only at Lawrenceville but at home in Los Angeles during vacations. Mike was a gentle soul who never seemed comfortable in the environment in which he was raised. I always had the feeling that he would have preferred to be somewhere else. Soon after we graduated, he disappeared. I ran into his mother a couple of times on flights between New York and Los Angeles, and in Pasadena after she married Norton Simon. I found these encounters a little disturbing because she did not seem to have much information about Mike to share, just, simply, that he was 'fine.' It seemed apparent to me that he was out of the country for most of his adult life. After several failed attempts to track him down, I gave up.""

Jace Alexander, son of Jane was convicted of possessing child pornography.

Seems like a lot of children of privileged backgrounds lead disappointing lives. My theory - they have so much growing up - either can't rise to the challenge or aren't given the incentive to do so.

"Seems like a lot of children of privileged backgrounds lead disappointing lives. "

Based on what - some anecdotes? Yeah, there are some rich kids who turn out bad, but they still have it much easier than poor kids. Go to any prison, 99% of the people there will be from poor backgrounds.

[quote]r468 Alexa Ray Joel is a beautiful young woman. It is possible to be beautiful without looking anything like Christie Brinkley.

I respect that she resisted plastic surgery.

Raymond Burr's fake son who died of Leukemia.

[quote]I respect that she resisted plastic surgery.

Why Chloe Lattanzi couldn't have done the same is beyond me.

After Carrie Hamilton went through all of her drug drama, the whole damn family was on some afternoon talk show...Dinah or Mike Douglas going into excruciating detail about the sturm und drang of the extended trials and tribulations of Carol Burnett and Joe and the sisters and the only thing I took away from the show was Carol quietly saying something like " Carrie used to complain about how hard it was being my daughter and all I could think was that was funny because I always thought it would be pretty easy being my daughter."

R478, LOL! Let's not forget his wife who died in that tragic plane crash!

Even for the era he was from, Raymond Burr went to amazing lengths to spin a web of lies about his sexuality. Even Liberace didn't go as far as Burr did.

[quote] I respect that she resisted plastic surgery.

Darling, did it hurt when the birds plucked your eyes out?

R1, I loved Hugh. He was a really sweet guy with a bad blow issue. But he treated me like a princess, even though pops could not stand me. I assumed he had issues with mixed race girls, even though I was cute as a button

Thanks for all of the awesome concerts we went, Hugh. And the nights we talked about everything under the sun.

Still miss u. You were a really good guy. See u on the other side.

Did Vivian Vance have children?

If she had a daughter, would she have named it Lucy, and beat her?

Raymond Burr's fake son's death reminds me, Red Skelton had a real son who died of leukemia.

Raymond Burr was a practical joker. He loved to get one over on people, and I think that's why he spun such elaborate lies. All he needed to do even at that time was invent a broken engagement or say he "just hadn't found the right girl." Not one but two dead wives AND a dead son? That was just him fucking with people because he got a charge out of it. Pretty twisted, but then he could also apparently be a very kind and generous fellow. People are complicated.

r483: r477 was being VERY droll.

R488, There was also his "romance" with Natalie Wood.

[quote] [R483]: [R477] was being VERY droll.

Yes, so was I. But I'm not sure R479 got the joke.

Wasn't one of Loretta Young's sons involved in a scandal?

I'm trying to remember - -

For now, we'll just have to remember Loretta Young was a faux-religious, hypocritical bitch.

Now her grandkids are trying to tidy up her legacy by claiming she was date raped by Gable ... when in fact she spread her legs on location for a married man, then pushed out his bastard pup.

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[quote]Now her grandkids are trying to tidy up her legacy by claiming she was date raped by Gable ... when in fact she spread her legs on location for a married man, then pushed out his bastard pup.

That's disgusting! This whole #metoo movement has been disgusting! Really no different from the girls and hysteria that engulfed Salem, Mass.

R498 is a moron. Witches don't exist, but predators do. Btw, her family's claims have nothing to do with the #metoo movement

Wait, how is metoo responsible for Youngs actions???? She had an affair. Birth control not invented, abortion, not legal. Plus that whole catholic thing. She kept and raised the kid. In those days you couldn't be a single mom. Years later Bergman was condemned on the senate floor for having s kid without being married to the father.

This idea that women need to be punished because they get pregnant? Fuck that.

[quote]r498 This whole #metoo movement has been disgusting! Really no different from the girls and hysteria that engulfed Salem, Mass.

It doesn;t have anything to do with #MeToo, asshole. That's a fantastic breath of fresh air and reality that benefits everyone.

[quote]r550 This idea that women need to be punished because they get pregnant? Fuck that.

The problem is she was so fakely sanctimonious about her devout Catholicism, fining actors and crew on her set for swearing, etc. and telling her daughter she was a "mortal sin".

Does this true story count?

Actor Bill (My Favorite Martian, Courtship of Eddie's Father, The Magician, The Incredible Hulk) Bixby's son Christopher, contracted a throat infection while on a ski vacation. He died at a local hospital. His mother, actress Brenda Benet, was devastated. She died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound about a year later.

I know the outraged fraus on this board are too unsophisticated to know who Marlene Dietrich was, but she had a great quote about Loretta Young:

"Everytime she sins she builds a church. That's why there are so many Catholic churches in Hollywood."

Apparently Marlene was no prize as a mom. She kept her daughter fed and sheltered, but also required 24-hour worship from everyone around her.

Daughter Dearest married at 18 or something, to get away.

Maria Riva's bio of her mother Marlene is the best show business biography I have ever read. Marlene was a narcissistic monster but you actually liked her because of that rather than in spite of it. Marlene's bitchy, nasty comments about her contemporaries in Hollywood are truly funny.

Loretta's son, Christopher Lewis . . .

In 1973, Christopher Lewis, then 29, was involved in a filmmaking scandal, while working for a company known as Lyric Productions. He was charged with child molestation and filming and distributing child pornography, along with 13 other men. Lewis and the other men were indicted with soliciting boys ranging from ages 6 to 17 to perform lewd acts in their movies. Despite pleading "no contest" to child molestation charges and potentially facing a significant term of imprisonment, Lewis was sentenced to probation and a $500 fine.

[quote]r507 Despite pleading "no contest" to child molestation charges and potentially facing a significant term of imprisonment, Lewis was sentenced to probation and a $500 fine.

You can bet St. Loretta arranged THAT.

Who she had to fuck or pay off is anybody's guess - -

[quote]R175 Mary Tyler Moore's only son, Ritchie Meeker, accidently shot himself in the head.

That happens so often, “accidentally “.

All of Loretta Young's kids were fucked up, and Loretta was an ultra-conservative Republican cunt.

Geez, busy thread.

The Jenny Arness story was a new one to me.

Loretta had a swear box on set. If someone cussed, he had to put in some dough that would eventually go to a church. Usually maybe a buck for darn, IIRC. One day her co-star (Joseph Cotten?) got annoyed and said, "Loretta, here's five dollars. Go fuck yourself."

r513 The version I read was it was Robert Mitchum and he put in an outrageous amount that would have covered the entire crew on a typical set. Then either he told her to fuck off or called her a cunt. Either way, well done.

Bryan Englund, son of Cloris Leachman and George Englund died in a room at a YMCA in NYC at age 30.

Their son, George Englund Jr. was convicted in 2000 of lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14 years of age, and is in the sex offender registry.

Mel Gibson's son Edward and Christian, who are twins, are alcoholics. One was busted for DUI, and both have been in rehab.

Actress Jennifer Jones was pretty damaged and it showed in her kids. But the story about her and Norton Simon visiting their druggie son as he raised his family in a tent in a canyon somewhere, dressed in their finery, makes me laugh.

The version I heard about the Loretta Young swear box was that it was Joseph L. Mankiewicz who replied to Loretta, "How much would it cost me to tell you to go fuck yourself", after she chastised him for swearing.

Loretta Young was not popular among her peers, from what I've read. They all thought she was an uptight, holier-than-thou cunt.

Most celebs should not procreate.

[quote]Most celebs should not procreate.

Most Republicans should not procreate.

Most homophobes and bigots should not procreate.

Most Trump voters should not procreate.

Most religious fanatics should not procreate.

R516, The twins were just taking after Daddy.

John Cougar Mellencamp's two sons Hud and Speck (yes, really. Those are their actual names) are a couple of drunken thugs who have been getting into trouble in Indiana for years.

I remember Mellencamp's gorgeous ex Elaine Irwin is mom to Hud and Speck.

r523 Apples near the trees, then.

I'm surprised they aren't faves here. White trash, young, thug hot, celebrity parents-that's DL catnip.

R514, thx. I also found a mention of Ethel Merman as the swearer! One of Loretta's sons was convicted of trafficking in child porn, IIRC.

R521, that is bull. Screwed up kids come from liberal parents as well. It crosses the board.As a general rule, the rich and famous have screwed up kids. I remember reading one time that Lana Turner, Betty Grable, Joan Crawford and some other movie stars got together for lunch and they all agreed that they shouldn't have had children because they realized they weren't good parents.

BTW, I read a biography on Betty Grable many moons ago ,and the author said Betty Grable used to fight with her two daughters because she was jealous that they loved the nanny more so than their own mother. One example of Betty Grable's abuse towards one of her daughters was that she threw the daughter down the stairs. The two daughters grew up as opposites. One went to college, grew in her life while the other daughter became a bitter druggie who didn't go to college and her life was just messed up.

"As a general rule, the rich and famous have screwed up kids"

Studies show otherwise - that poor kids have it harder.

R528 what did that brat do to provoke Betty?!

Somehow I can't imagine Joan and Lana having a heart to heart..

Lana and her daughter Cheryl became close once Cheryl was an adult.

r529 yes they do have it harder in the obvious economic way (and all that entails), but the poster's comment is still accurate.

It’s not a pissing contest. Poor kids are disadvantaged but so are the children of famous people in their way. They have much in common when you think about it. Chaotic childhoods, irresponsible often drug addicted or alcoholic parents, mum and dad no longer together and bringing different partners home all the time along with the heightened risk of sexual and physical abuse.

Lack of a decent education also connects them. Poor kids because their families can’t afford a decent school and rich celeb’s kids because nobody is there to supervise them appropriately and make sure they are keeping up with their studies. Both sets of children are fucked over by the adults in their lives.

Just a little trivia about Loretta's son, he was a founding member of the musical group Moby Grape. They had a moment or two of popularity, but faded quickly and then were gone once Peter got busy with kiddie porn.

"It’s not a pissing contest. Poor kids are disadvantaged but so are the children of famous people in their way. They have much in common when you think about it. Chaotic childhoods, irresponsible often drug addicted or alcoholic parents, mum and dad no longer together and bringing different partners home all the time along with the heightened risk of sexual and physical abuse."

Uh, have you ever been to a ghetto or a trailer park? You think only rich people do drugs or have different sexual partners? Poor people are actually more likely to get divorced than well off people.

R532 I agree, it’s like a per capita thing with the children of.

Then again, there do seem to be a few celeb kids who did OK. You see a lot of them on TCM, talking about their parents. Last Halloween I went to a lecture by Boris Karloff’s daughter. She was delightful and clearly adored her father.

Vincent Price's daughter outed him in her book.

Cheryl Crane (Lana Turner's daughter) turned out to be remarkably sane and well-adjusted, given the absolute insanity of her childhood and teenage years.

It's a shame they don't get sent away to school.

I remember reading in Twyla Tharp's book that her son asked her to send him away to school because he hated her bohemian lifestyle. (And she did.)

R539, a lot of the time, they wind up more miserable at school

r540 that depends on how involved the parent is in the first place. In Tharp's case, it was not a case of shunting him off to boarding school to have her own life. They probably decided together on what school, what rules, etc.

I recall reading in the book that Tharp's son complained to her about her sleeping around and just the way she was living. (She mentioned it in the book because she said it was a stretch for her to afford it, but the son was so miserably unhappy with her. ) But the son specifically asked to be sent away. Though I think he was older--maybe in his young teenaged years?

Sounds like the Patrick Dennis syndrome where the child just wants a conventional life. Preston Sturges' mother hung with Isadora Duncan and that made the boy hate being dragged to pretentious dance concerts.

R543, I didn't know that about Sturges. Interesting. Thanks

[quote] a lot of the time, they wind up more miserable at school

It depends on whether they know where to find the booze and the boys.

R542, I haven't read the book. Does Tharp discuss her feelings on realizing how her way of life was affecting her son? I'd like to hope that, had she known how unhappy he was, she might have been more discreet.

Tharp knew that her son was skeeved out by David Byrne, I remember that from the book...

She was a tramp from Trampsville, R546.

R546, I honestly don't know that much about her personal life. She made a mention of this anecdote in her book on creativity called The Creative Habit. (I was just reading for her hints on creativity: I wasn't too keen on the autobiographical info and mostly skipped over it. I just happened to remember that one incident because, really, how gross do you have to be for your young-ish kid to beg you to send them away?)

Grossissima con fettuccine

R549 I know lots of people who wish they’d gone to boarding school. The ones who got to go liked it. They didn’t hate their parents. They liked being in a teen oriented environment. They liked to independence. It’s like going away to college. I also know plenty of people with very normal parents who wished they were more bohemian.

[quote][R549] I know lots of people who wish they’d gone to boarding school. The ones who got to go liked it. They didn’t hate their parents. They liked being in a teen oriented environment. They liked to independence. It’s like going away to college. I also know plenty of people with very normal parents who wished they were more bohemian.

And all I did was stay home and watch [italic]The Facts of Life[/italic] and [italic]Family Ties[/italic].

R551, I went to boarding school with some kids of very famous people. I don’t think they hated it at all! There’s a nice balance of structure and independence. It’s beneficial.

I’d love to send my teen daughter away to school (and she’d like to!) but we can’t afford it.

Well, I know people who were miserable at their boarding schools and military schools. Everyone's experience is different

I want to hear more about the dwarf who murdered his famous mother.

Bravo, r555. In her famous quote Clare Booth Luce said Eleanor Roosevelt comforted the distressed and distressed the comfortable. My boarding school did the opposite.

In the 1910s and 1920s, there was a famous family in German filmmaking. Joe May was a director and producer, his wife Mia May was a popular actress, and they gave their daughter Eva May her start as an actress too. But by all accounts, Eva was a troubled soul and suffered from severe depression, angry outbursts, etc. Eva ran with a “wild crowd” and she was very reckless. Had trouble finding work outside of her parent’s company. By her death at age 22, she had been married and divorced/separated three times. She put a bullet in her brain.

Her parents were devastated and her mom gave up her career. Later on, the elder Mays emigrated to America in 1933 but Joe couldn’t find film work. They ran a small restaurant together until Joe died in the 1950s.

One of Eva’s best friends was film actress Lya di Putti, mainly famous today for “choking to death on a chicken bone.” Even though she didn’t. The surgery to remove a lodged piece of bone gave her a raging infection that turned her into a raving, paranoid lunatic. Lya hid from her doctors and nurses and was found collapsed in a hospital corridor.

[quote]I dislike playing this card but I wonder if the media (and public at large ) place greater value on-the-go testimony of the blonde, white children over the "foreign " Asian kids.

Woody is the one who initially made that claim as a bid to prove that he should get custody, but there was no evidence of her abusing the kids that he or his lawyers could provide. However, one psychologist testified he saw Allen twist young Ronan's leg and yell that he was going to rip it off when Ronan refused to go on a supervised outing with him.

That was mentioned in the trial, as was testimony that showed Allen specifically wanted a blonde, blue eyed girl to adopt.

I would be wary of any theory brought up to defend Allen which was also brought up by his attorneys in 1992.

Mia has problems, definitely, and she and her siblings are a mess because they were abused, but she's more hippie crunchy "let the kids do what they want to find themselves, man," than she is an aggressive abuser. Because her kids so often had special needs, her hands off crunchy childrearing style wasn't always appropriate.

Elvis' daughter married a white tranny who called herself "the King of Pop."

"I want to hear more about the dwarf who murdered his famous mother."

My mother died of natural causes.

[quote]r559 Mia has problems, definitely, and she and her siblings are a mess because they were abused, but she's more hippie crunchy "let the kids do what they want to find themselves, man," than she is an aggressive abuser.[bold] Because her kids so often had special needs, her hands off crunchy childrearing style wasn't always appropriate.[/bold]

I don't know all the specifics of their lives, but I would guess they recieved better education, housing, nourishment, and medical attention under her parentage than if left in Shanghai orphanages ... or wherever.

For the most part, they'd seem to have better off lives than than they started with (?)

Alex Band, son of the Daimyo of ‘90s B-movies/softcore lesploitation and crestor of such films as ‘PuppetMaster’ Charles Band. Alex was raised a cakeeater and even went to private school, then had a stratospheric push in the world of popstardom. In spite of that though he has had a messed-up life.

He’s been naturally unfortunate enough, what with childhood sexual abuse (by a babysitter, iirc?) and multiple unprovoked assaults against his person (getting his bones broken) and grievous illness (Early Onset Parkinson’s) and his first wife getting terminally ill too (renal failure)...how unlucky can one guy be? But then inexplicably he heaps more agony on himself by acting like a creep with women and transparently lying about things like his recreational drug use. It’s telling that his former musical partner Aaron chose rather to let their joint success go and slip away into wage-slave obscurity than take massive amounts of TRL money and have to deal with Alex everyday.

Alex also looks and sounds like a self-loathing bi, but that’s another story. ‘A-dri-uuuuun’ is a song about a girl? Sure, Jan.

r564 reminds me Chastity Bono was also molested.

Cher’s daughter, Chastity Bono—now Chaz after sex-reassignment surgery—wrote in her memoir The End of Innocence (2003) that when she was 11-years-old she was sexually seduced by “Joan,” a lesbian friend of her mother’s who later became Chastity’s sexual confidant.

Meanwhile her brother Elijah was a cross-dresser. Haven't heard anything about him in a very long time.

I'm not surprised Elizabeth Taylor's kids are ok. Richard Burton's diaries, which were obviously written to be published and therefore aren't reliable, nevertheless is full of accounts of the "kids" visiting, him visiting the kids, both Elizabeth Taylor's and his own. He was irritated at her son Christopher at one point for something related to Christopher's music ambitions - maybe he thought Christopher was too entitled and not putting in the work, but the tone was very parental and involved. Never complained (nor talked about) the asking for money or mentioning if he were subsidizing them. He seemed to adore his daughter Kate and almost be in awe of her. Derek Jacobi, whom I've met (and who is a very good person) has a story of being up all night with Burton after only having planned a meeting, and on Burton's agenda was going to see his stepson's band play. It's possible that their shared attitude towards family helped keep Burton and Taylor together throughout the chaos of their marriages.

A lot of celebs keep family at arms' length because they don't want to pay for everybody. While Burton had lots and lots of faults, he was close to his eighty million siblings, nieces and nephews, and Elizabeth Taylor seemed to be accessible and have time for her kids, her kids kids, and the various significant others. With celebrity parents, not being a celebrity to your kids is important, being accessible and available. A lot of celebs manage their kids through their assistants and business office.

I think a lot of celebrities get turned off to their kids when the celebrity is a great beauty and the kid is obese and not attractive. I won't name names.

Oh, Marlo Thomas has a story about her father Danny. She says he kept very steady hours, always home by dinner. She was extremely skinny growing up, late bloomer, and when she was going to the prom she was unable to find anything that made her look a little more grown up. Danny found out about it and took her to a department store, got a saleslady, and asked the sales lady to find something that helped make her look - don't think the word was "fuller", but there was a euphamism. The saleslady found something peasant style and off the shoulder that did the trick.

[quote]Danny found out about it and took her to a department store, got a saleslady, and asked the sales lady to find something that helped make her look - don't think the word was "fuller", but there was a euphamism. The saleslady found something peasant style and off the shoulder that did the trick.

The saleslady stuffed the bodice with poop, giving Marlo the larger-titted look she wanted. The smell, however, was atrocious, so no one danced with her.

r566 What the fuck with the "I won't name names" bullshit? Name some fucking names!

R568 I'm sure we can all think of ugly and/or fat celebrity spawn.

^No one can change your life except for you, Carny.

[quote]Tharp knew that her son was skeeved out by David Byrne, I remember that from the book...

I could understand that. He's super creepy. Byrne used to hang at my friend's downtown NYC art gallery, he was so odd. He's got such dead eyes. I personally think his entire demeanor is fake and contrived

He'd go to every art opening at my friend's gallery. He was always with a different Asian woman. None of the women were his wife. He was either separated or was divorced from Adele Lutz at that point. Adele is the sister of the late Tina Chow.

I was shocked Byrne was with Toni Basil. TONI BASIL?!

"Byrne had a brief affair with Toni Basil in 1981, and he dated Twyla Tharp between 1981 and 1982. While visiting Japan in 1982, Byrne met costume designer Adelle Lutz, and they married in 1987.They have a daughter, Malu Abeni Valentine Byrne, born in 1989. Byrne and Lutz divorced in 2004. After his divorce, he became romantically involved with art curator and Gagosian Gallery sales director Louise Neri. He also had a relationship with the artist Cindy Sherman from 2007 to 2011."

R517 I just borrowed West of Eden by Jean Stein from the library for the Jennifer Jones chapter, and that story cracked me up!

I don't think I ever truly realized how fucking nuts Jennifer Jones was until reading this book. I thought she was a run-of-the-mill actress who slept her way to the top. I feel for her daughter, Mary Jennifer Selznick, after reading this book. She and Jennifer would have serious physical arguments, according to the book. Jennifer was jealous of the attention David gave to their daughter and didn't care much for her after she re-married. She comes across as a grade A cunt! Cluny Brown will never be the same to me.

Jean Stein had a sad and tragic conclusion...

Jean Stein had a sad childhood, growing up lonely in her parents' palatial Hollywood mansion;

I wonder if it was all worth it in the end to Jennifer Jones. Having a middling acting career (sure, she was a huge star for a period and an Oscar winner, with a limited amount of talent), two dead husbands, one dead ex-husband, two dead children... I guess she was rich and kept herself busy with the Norton Simon Museum, but everything about her sounds overwhelmingly pathetic. She seemed like a pretty shallow person, so I doubt that she gave much thought to everything.

R566 While we're on the topic of Elizabeth Taylor's mothering abilities AND weird looking celebrity kids. Liza Todd inherited such a bizarre mix of genes, she's a sculptor who appears to mainly sculpt horses. Good for her.

R575, Jennifer had a well publicized suicide attempt on a Malibu beach in 1967.

I never knew Jennifer Jones attempted suicide. She jumped off a cliff on Malibu Beach!

Jones was nuts. Having one child kill themselves and another OD is a really bad track record even by Hollywood standards. By the way, does anyone know the story behind that photo of an incapacitated Susan Hayward being carried into a car? The photo was shown in the related photo category next to the pic of Jennifer Jones on a stretcher.

Jean Stein's Jennifer Jones Chapter

All four of Elizabeth Taylor's children turned out to be remarkably normal, which was quite a feat.

Interesting photo gallery of Liz’ grandkids

[quote]I never knew Jennifer Jones attempted suicide. She jumped off a cliff on Malibu Beach!

Was that before or after she fell out of an elevator shaft in [italic]The Towering Inferno[/italic]?

[quote] 'Lori is watching Felicity's case very closely,' an insider told People. 'She's relieved that it doesn't look like the prosecution is making an example of Felicity, and is adhering to the law.'

Oh my sides...

Jennifer Jones was an Oscar winner and had a string of hit films, but she's pretty much forgotten today. Unlike her contemporaries Gene Tierney, Rita Hayworth and even Veronica Lake.

[quote]r579 By the way, does anyone know the story behind that photo of an incapacitated Susan Hayward being carried into a car?

She had a serious suicide attemp at one point. I think she was going through a divorce.

It might be from that?

[quote]While we're on the topic of Elizabeth Taylor's mothering abilities AND weird looking celebrity kids. Liza Todd inherited such a bizarre mix of genes, she's a sculptor who appears to mainly sculpt horses. Good for her.

What about Liz Taylor's adopted daughter? Maria Burton? The one Liz claimed to have adopted while married to Richard Burton? Yet the daughter looks a lot like Liz! I saw the daughter once she was walking alone Fifth Avenue. The resemblance was eerie.

My mom always claimed that Liz gave birth to Maria, then lied about adopting her. Liz probably lied because Maria wasn't Richard's baby!

She doesn't look much like Liz to me

She rated the adoption when she was with Eddie Fisher.

The daughter looks high AF in that pic.

R586, I recall an incident when Hayward was fighting with her husband and he locked her out of their house and she was completely naked.

R587, Maria was born with a serious hip deformity that required surgeries.

Bob Geldof's daughter Peaches died of a heroin overdose when she was only 24. Her mother Paula Yates died the same way, aged 40.

I had never heard that Maria Burton rumor before. Hmm. I think she mostly has a passing resemblance to Elizabeth in that photo because she’s done her eye makeup the same way. They all must have seen mom do it a million times.

Has there ever been a photograph of Elizabeth totally without makeup? I mean nothing but nothing on the eyes? I’d be curious to see that, have looked but never found one.

[quote] everything about her sounds overwhelmingly pathetic. She seemed like a pretty shallow person

r575 fired her therapist when he told her she a problem with projection.

Liz was allegedly wearing no makeup in this photo.

R596, She's in full makeup.

This is ET without makeup.

Time to put this one to bed.

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